look at this pic and tell me whats up.

[crawford1982]

the driver on the left is my ping karsten 10* with a 350 series stiff shaft, i hit this straight with maybe a little movement to the right around 230+ yards. on the right is a taylor made r580 witha regular flex mid torque shaft, i hit this anything from 170-200 yards, but i slice it like you wouldnt believe. i had to use the taylor made whilst getting my ping driver head re-glued and it scared me something awful. how can i go from a sraightish 230 to all over the place?? doing slow swings in my spare room, the ping is nice and square but the taylor made is way open. the taylor made looks longer, could that be the cause? could it be the reg flex? are there alignment differences in the head?

[moparman426]

Ping looks super closed and the TM looks square (or even 1 degree open) to me.  The TM is also longer, but not because it is regular flex, maybe the ping was butt-trimmed?  The regular flex can attribute to the inconsistency though, if it is too weak for your swing/tempo, regardless of it's length.

[crawford1982]

i had never really considered the ping being closed, but looking at it, it looks so obvious.

[Mr3Wiggle]

That the Ping ISI from back in the day?  Pretty sure that club is a 2* closed and has a pretty upright lie angle for a driver.

[crawford1982]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

That the Ping ISI from back in the day?  Pretty sure that club is a 2* closed and has a pretty upright lie angle for a driver.

That it is indeed, being a slight newb this was all kind of new to me. For me this club works an absolute treat, now i'm thinking i may swing issues due to such a bad slice with the TM.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by crawford1982

That it is indeed, being a slight newb this was all kind of new to me. For me this club works an absolute treat, now i'm thinking i may swing issues due to such a bad slice with the TM.

That driver was a beast back in the day.  I had an 8.5* with a UST Proforce 75.  Longest club of it's day.  Still long, just probably not as forgiving as the newer drivers.  Probably puts more backspin on the ball than the newer drivers.  Depending on your ball speed and launch angle that spin could be a good thing.

I just looked up the specs of those clubs online.  The 580 is actually a degree more upright than the Ping.  Ping claims that TiSI has a square face too.  The only thing I can think of is the added spin.  The 580 was designed to spin less.  The Ping came out a couple years before the TM 580 and that technology wasn't hot yet.