Callaway Irons: Diabo Edge vs RAZR X HL = Bounce (?)

[JTCHURCH]

Hi All,

New to the forum and new to golf -just started a 14wk Instructional Golf League, very excited! I have an old set of Tommy Armour 845u, and am looking to upgrade by buying a set off of http://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/

I was set on getting the Diablo Edge Irons as they are well rated and reviewed in the Super Forgiveness category by golf.com and golfdigest. The only thing I didn't love was the look of them -but feel that "confidence" aside, the looks probably aren't as important as the rest. The website has now added the Razr X HL irons to the site, and being new they are a couple hundred more -but still a great deal compared to retail. I also like the new look a lot more. So I started looking into other differences between the two.

Callaway no longer makes the Diablo Edge irons, but now pushes the RAZR X HL as the choice for Super Forgiveness. They clubs appear to be identical, club for club, as far as length, weight and lie, and have the same Callaway selling features.

http://www.callawaygolf.com/global/en-us/golf-equipment/golf-clubs/irons/razr-x-hl-irons.html

http://www.callawaygolf.com/global/en-us/golf-equipment/classic-golf-equipment/diablo-edge-irons.html

The only glaring difference that I could see, was that the Diablo Edge irons have a low bounce angle, and the RAZR X HL irons have a high bounce angle of more than double in some cases.

Any thoughts on why Callaway's old forgiveness irons (2010/2011 Hotlist) have a low bounce and their new forgiveness irons (2012 Hotlist) have a high bounce? Which is more desirable for a beginner? I couldn't find anything from Callaway that explained the change in design. -And now I'm worried about getting the wrong set for my needs.

SIDENOTE: Anybody else feel bad for Furyk yesterday? That was hard to watch.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Depends on your game.  I've heard the Razr HL are very forgiving and very long.  They will go very high though.  If you have problems with a high ball flight you might want to go with the Diablos.

[JTCHURCH]

But what about the Bounce? How important is it? And does a beginner want it high or low?

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by JTCHURCH

But what about the Bounce? How important is it? And does a beginner want it high or low?

The bounce should be pretty close on the two sets.  The Razr HL has a wider sole though.  If I were you I'd hit them both.  Some people are bothered by really wide soles.  I would imagine the Razr HL will be more forgiving.  The Diablos should still be forgiving and give you something you can grow into.

[Tuflehundon]

If you'll give me about a week I can give you a better responce. I just ordered a set of both. Razr's for me, and Diablo's for my daughter.

[joem1cha3l]

im a bit partial but I just bought the Razr Xl's last week and its by far the nicest set of irons ive ever hit. VERY forgiving. I dont have any bounce "issues".

[JTCHURCH]

Originally Posted by Tuflehundon

If you'll give me about a week I can give you a better responce. I just ordered a set of both. Razr's for me, and Diablo's for my daughter.

Looking forward to it! -And thanks for all the replies. They have a larger inventory of the RAZR on the preowned site now, will have to make my decision soon.

[Tuflehundon]

UPS says my clubs will be here Friday. I'll be at least hitting the range Saturday. I hope to find the time to play a round to.

[GatorCallaway]

Originally Posted by Tuflehundon

UPS says my clubs will be here Friday. I'll be at least hitting the range Saturday. I hope to find the time to play a round to.

You're gonna love the Razr's. Put my x-14s and Eye 2+s in moth balls for these.

[Artimas]

I haven't hit the Razrs, but do have the diablo edge's. They are very forgiving and pretty easy to hit.

You'll probably be fine with either.

[Tuflehundon]

OK, clubs came in yesterday. Went to the range and tried out both sets. Both had a great feel to them. I had a hard time distinguishing which I liked better. I lean towards the Razr X HL. The HL's are a little wider, and there is more weight distributed towards the back. Distance and accuracy with both was similar. I will say that I liked the feel of the HL's better, just felt like a cleaner hit.

I am happy that I wet with the HL's. I hit both at the store before ordering them. But like them even more now that they have the shafts I wanted, and length & lie I wanted. Looking forward to the rain going away long enough that I can get a round in with them.

[Gdogg88]

So I do have last years Callaway Razr HL, I made 2 chip ins from 20+ yards back.  They are very nice and do go high.  Yet it does depends on the swing, you can modify your swing to go up more, or forward more.  This only works for irons.  Almost made a chip in today, few cm away.  I recommend the Jaws SW also instead of the regular HL SW.  I have not tried Diablo, yet it would be interesting to mix.

For example, with my HL clubs my yard difference is not the much.  So if Diablos have a lower ball arch, then a mix might be better.

Jared