Help with release and squaring club face

[Sai-Jin]

Well, my fade and push fades are back. Even when I put the face at 3* closed.

Apparently I'm not releasing and the club is open at impact and stays open. According to trackman results open at average of 4.8*

with  -1 / +1* plane . So 1* from inside and 1* from outside swing.

I was told that the release should happen naturally... I used to hit a lot of straight and baby draws, so honestly I don't know if I used to release or not.

I "THINK" that my club goes up post impact rather than rotate around my body? I try to consciously rotate my shoulders around more rather than club goes up high

and the result to say the least was a disaster.

But if you could please help me eliminate this fade that I don't want, it'd be nice.

[iacas]

Try this: throughout the downswing, bow your lead wrist.

[Sai-Jin]

Erik, is that the only solution? I tried bowing it a couple of times at the range and it felt uncomfortable.

But if you highly recommend me to do so, I'll keep trying...

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

Erik, is that the only solution? I tried bowing it a couple of times at the range and it felt uncomfortable.

But if you highly recommend me to do so, I'll keep trying...

No, it's not the only solution. Your grip could be too weak. It seems likely if you're setting the face closed and still returning it open.

"Releasing" the way it's commonly interpreted will send the path to the left as the forearms roll.

[Sai-Jin]

Ok, I'll try the wrist bow next time and will let you know how it goes. PS: my grip is definitely not weak. Got it checked and it always shows 2 and sometimes 3 knuckles

on all clubs.

Btw, did you see my "fitter" thread? If you can share your opinion too, it'd be nice.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

Ok, I'll try the wrist bow next time and will let you know how it goes. PS: my grip is definitely not weak. Got it checked and it always shows 2 and sometimes 3 knuckles

on all clubs.

To be clear, I mean "bow" it during the downswing, as in actively try to make it bowed and then more bowed and then more bowed throughout the entire downswing. Don't just bow it at setup or at the top of the backswing or something.

[Sai-Jin]

OH gotcha! Ok, I'll try that!!

Is this a band aid or it's the correct way to swing?

[mdl]

Originally Posted by iacas

No, it's not the only solution. Your grip could be too weak. It seems likely if you're setting the face closed and still returning it open.

"Releasing" the way it's commonly interpreted will send the path to the left as the forearms roll.

I can attest personally to that the last sentence.  I fight blocks and push-fades, and in service of getting the club face closed I have tried forcing a "release" in practice to try to get the feel for what impact feels like with a club face that isn't left too open.  I've actually gotten decent results with this sometimes when going for a feeling of extension, sort of uncocking the lead wrist more but not trying to roll more or earlier, rather than rolling the wrists.  But going even for that has led for me to the miss being too much rolling of the wrists, which for me leads to all the types of big miss pulls, pull-hook, straight pulls, and pull-fade/slice.  Frustrating too cause you can (at least feel, and see it it practice swings) be coming nice from the inside until pretty darn close to impact, then if you roll too much too early you can suddenly sort of snap the face out and then back across...

[Sai-Jin]

@MDL:

You mean don't bow the wrist too fast or I'll duck hook it?

If so, I have done that 2 months ago by trying to release and it was much more frustrating than a slice to me.

[colin007]

@MDL: You mean don't bow the wrist too fast or I'll duck hook it? If so, I have done that 2 months ago by trying to release and it was much more frustrating than a slice to me.

No, he's saying that the commonly taught "release the club head" mantra leads to wild inconsistency and for him a duck hook. Bowing the lead wrist is not releasing the club head like what you read in the magazines. It's a way of getting the club head back to where it was at setup.

[Sai-Jin]

Ah ok. Thank you, Collin.

[Motley01]

I just recently had this same exact problem.

What I was doing, was getting to flat on the backswing. Once I made a more upright backswing, i started flushing everything with a small draw.

Try that.

[Sai-Jin]

Erik,

I tried bowing my left wrist during the downswing and even at low speed, I was duck hooking my balls.

Now Whenever I can see the ball on impact on the left side of my left eye and I try to follow through by extending both my arms, the ball goes straighter, but the problem is I don't know if I chicken wing or not. (my old habit for low right ball flight is that my whole body slides forward too much)

@Beach, I focused more on #3 and it surely helps keeping the ball straighter even though I still don't lock my trigger finger and thumb. I just make sure that I can feel P#3 on the down swing.