How to run an event with fair handicaps

[x129]

Variance will kill you if you try and establish handicaps off of 2 rounds.   You will be rewarding the players that got lucky and had bad rounds that were just good enough to make the cut and penalize the guys that had a good round. And the high handicappers would just be dead money as they would have to play lights out just to make the cut (imagine that the top 50 guys have 10 and under handicaps. What chance does a 20 handicapper have of being in the top 50? Very low. And if he does make the top 50 his "handicap" is going to be at a level of play that he can't sustain.

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Originally Posted by AmazingWhacker

Here's my idea:

During the first day or first 2 days, everybody plays off scratch.  The top however many get to advance to phase 2.  For phase 2, handicaps based on phase1 are used.

It's true, of course, that somebody could sandbag it during the first couple days . .playing poorly but well enough to advance.  To make this more difficult, don't publish the scores and the "cut line" until the end of phase1.

I have no idea if it would work or not but it sounds good, anyway.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Look at it this way ... everybody on this thread who is not a sandbagger wouldn't even bother to enter the tournament because we "know" we have no chance.

And this...  ^^^

[daSeth]

I'd play it straight up, no handicaps... The problem with the handicap system is that it assumes that a person has the integrity to play their best.  Sandbaggers have no integrity and there are too many out there gaming the system.  However, there are a lot of good amateur players out there, plenty to field a group of 100.  Especially with money and prizes involved.

If the idea is to show poor players for entertainment value and necessarily, you need high handicappers, I suppose you could DQ anyone who is obviously sandbagging... Or better yet, figure out way to humiliate them on international TV.  How about a giant catapult or air cannon that shoots them into the pool of shame, filled with mud or a sticky liquid?  Or how about have the rest of the field duct tape them to a wall of shame next to the podium?  After the trophy cermony, have the field tee up fish heads or local cuisine and pummel the offenders.  I don't know, get creative... We who score our handicaps honestly would love it.

Come on Santrappers, how would you humiliate a sandbagger on international TV?

[LovinItAll]

Vietnam...Ahh, the fresh smell of old napalm.

Exactly where Americans want to holiday.

[Audaxi]

I'm still not sure on how you plan to get around the amateur status rules, but good luck with your tournament, and I hope it goes well for you.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by golf1million

Need your ideas, comments and suggestions.

This is going to be great. Sounds similar to the event I am planning!!

Entry fee is $1. Unlimited entries.

Top 200 players are flown first class to Dubai.

$500,000 hole in one prizes on EVERY par 3.

2 x $100,000 long drive prizes for each day.

Overall Winner gets $1 million dollars. Runner up $500,000. Third place $250,000.

Television marketing tieing in with U.S.Open in 2014.

Someone like Tiger or Sergio presenting LIVE from the NTP holes.

A Lexus for the lowest nett score each day.

AN OCC chopper for every eagle (not on a par5), but limited to 3 bikes.

[Paradox]

how to run an event with fair handicaps.  Consider everyone scratch and best score wins :)

[golf1million]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Which is why it feels like a scam to me.

But maybe that's just me......

Far from it.

The golfer will not just get a lottery style ticket and go into a draw.

I can't go into the exact details at the moment but you will be getting a high quality product for your 25euro and

with that comes the chance of entry to the final 100.

I have a lot of very big sponsors already committed and just going over the finer details such as the handicap/fairness issue.

[golf1million]

Originally Posted by golf1million

Far from it.

The golfer will not just get a lottery style ticket and go into a draw.

I can't go into the exact details at the moment but you will be getting a high quality product for your 25euro and

with that comes the chance of entry to the final 100.

I have a lot of very big sponsors already committed and just going over the finer details such as the handicap/fairness issue.

So you are buying a product that you can use over and over and the bonus is the chance of entry into the event.

We plan to take exhibition stands at at least 30 major professional golf events worldwide in 2013 to sell the product

and promote the event. This has been in the planning for years and now everything is in place to make it happen.

[LovinItAll]

So you are buying a product that you can use over and over and the bonus is the chance of entry into the event. We plan to take exhibition stands at at least 30 major professional golf events worldwide in 2013 to sell the product and promote the event. This has been in the planning for years and now everything is in place to make it happen.

Seems like there are enough golfers in the 3-+2 category to fill the field and just play gross. Ultimately you just need 100, so as long as everyone knows it's a gross event, if a 15 ends up in the tournament, well...their tough luck. If you're not paying for travel, I guess the field will be mostly Asian. If you are paying for travel, I'm still guessing many people will be reluctant to make the 15 hour flight (or whatever). Back to the point: It won't be hard to get 100 golfers playing the event gross if you're getting the exposure you've mentioned. As for handicapping the event, I've seen stuff like this: - Golfers convert their HC's to stableford. - After each of the first two rounds, adjustments are made. HC's can go up with no limit, but can only go down x strokes. - If there are some decent prizes in the first two rounds, people will play golf rather than take a chance on the round of eight, especially if only the top three win anything. - Make the HC cutoff something like 12 and below. You'll have hundreds of thousands of golfers in the potential contestant pool....maybe over a million. At least you'll get 'better golfers' entering. As for the prizes and amateur status: Most amateurs would give up their status for the right amount of money. They can later go through the process of regaining their amateur status if they want. If you use the ideas above......10% should cover my end :-P