Over the top!!!

[popey]

Went to the range tonight with my dad and he throws the club over the top when he starts his down swing, which results in a big pull or the ball starts right and fades back. Yet he think he is hitting the ball straight.

A pro has identified the problem but my dad says he cannot fell any difference in his swing when he does and doesn't do it. So does anyone no of any drills to get him to feel as if he is pulling the club inside (like jim Furjk). I though about maybe hitting balls with the ball above his feet to flatten over the swing plane. I also tried to get him to bring the club on the inside on the way down but he could not understand the concept that i was getting out.

Any ideas guys?

The bad thing if it works he might start beating me!!!

[Franco!]

do you go to a grass range? If so, this is a drill and I do it even when its not needed. take an old club and take the head off so you just have a shaft, stick it in the ground behind him parallel to his shaft. If he comes inside, he hits the shaft. Make him go slowly at first then he cant start taking full swings with the shaft.

[Ben]

Have him initiate his downswing by firing his left hip. Not swaying it laterally either, I mean a turn of the hip. Just by turning the left hip, his hands will automatically drop into "the slot".

The perfect demonstration is to have him stop his swing at the top (keeping his position of course) and have him throw that hip slightly and keep that position. He'll see that without making any conscious effort to move his hands, that they've already moved into the proper position.

This I've learned from Ben Hogan's Five Lessons book. Check the 4th Chapter, The Second Part of the Swing. Page 90.

[Ringer]

Went to the range tonight with my dad and he throws the club over the top when he starts his down swing, which results in a big pull or the ball starts right and fades back. Yet he think he is hitting the ball straight.

On the finish keep he needs to keep his elbows out in front of his chest.

[Leek]

OTT is mainly from lack of axis tilt on the downswing.
From Brian Manzella.com:

At address, bend over from the hips enough so you can reach the ball with little or no knee bend, and still can reach past your shirt seam with your left hand (not with a club).

With the butt of the club pointing as near to your belt buckle as you can, use your stomach muscles to move the grip end of the club in the takeaway, as if the head and was stuck in the ground. Use your hands to reach for the spot you want to hit at the the top, pulling all the slack out of your body, all the way down to your left foot.

From the top, start down by using the ground to stretch all the pinch-able fat and skin from the left side of your torso. Make a motion that would throw your arms right off off your body if you had detachable arms like a Mannequin. These arms should hit the ground near the target line just ahead of the ball. RESIST moving the "bowtie" area forward. Stay as bent over as you can and finish with your hands as far from your left ear as you can.

[onez0183]

My tips for this:

First off, think about only one tip at a time for a swing/grouping of shots.

Then, on initiation of the downswing drop the right elbow straight down. This will force the club to be to start from the inside. Exagerate it at first so you are hitting massive pushes or even chunking the ball (but with inside-out divots). The swing will feel like a convulted loop but it is necessary to learn to hit from the inside.

[onez0183]

On initiation of the downswing drop the right elbow straight down. This will force the club to be to start from the inside. Exagerate it at first so you are hitting massive pushes or even chunking the ball (but with inside-out divots). The swing will feel like a convulted loop but it is necessary to learn to hit from the inside. My pro told me to visualize my swing as controlled by the right arm. The arms swing the club and the body just gets in the way. So, visualize the back/down swing initiated by the back arm (but don't get too carried away and allow your front arm to flex). Then you can feel the elbow drop and the club face / path on an drawed shot. This action is the power karate chop motion that contributes to power in the golf swing.

Also, think about only one tip at a time for a swing/grouping of shots.

[CG031]

My swing is probably over the top always, but I honestly don't care. I don't really have a fade, and I rarely pull the ball, but that is my tendency of a miss hit, a bad pull. I know I'm over the top, but I don't think it's as big a deal as people make it. All you have to do is take the club more inside on your back swing, "tuck your elbow into your back pocket", and swing "OUT" towards the right of you (if your a righty) and you will probably start drawing it.