how to draw with lots of lag

[nowayjoze]

I've given up on trying to draw the driver. Either hit pulls or worm burners. I'll swing and see my swing blur path going in off the tee, any other club, I see it go out. I'm starting to believe because the ball's teed up, and by the left foot, the path will always be in of the swing circle. I think I'll stick to my more reliable open stance fade, even though its not as pretty as a big push draw I see on TV. If I need a draw, 3W it is.

[colin007]

I've given up on trying to draw the driver. Either hit pulls or worm burners. I'll swing and see my swing blur path going in off the tee, any other club, I see it go out. I'm starting to believe because the ball's teed up, and by the left foot, the path will always be in of the swing circle. I think I'll stick to my more reliable open stance fade, even though its not as pretty as a big push draw I see on TV. If I need a draw, 3W it is.

Of course. By the time the driver is on its way up, it's probably heading left and you either hit a pull draw or a cut.

[CUT69]

When hitting a draw try to make a in to out swing path to hit the inside half of the ball with a closed stance, when hitting a cut/fade try to make a out to in swing path to hit the outside half of the ball with a more open stance. I am not a firm believer in changing your grip or lag, the swing stays the same just on a different swing path. On the range I will lay down an alignment stick about 3 yards in front of me pointing at the target and vary my swing path and stance to produce a draw or fade. It seems to work for me, Brandt Snedeker has a great description of this analogy on youtube.

[iacas]

When hitting a draw try to make a in to out swing path to hit the inside half of the ball with a closed stance, when hitting a cut/fade try to make a out to in swing path to hit the outside half of the ball with a more open stance. I am not a firm believer in changing your grip or lag, the swing stays the same just on a different swing path. On the range I will lay down an alignment stick about 3 yards in front of me pointing at the target and vary my swing path and stance to produce a draw or fade. It seems to work for me, Brandt Snedeker has a great description of this analogy on youtube.   :-\

Your post was… not entirely, strictly on topic. The topic here is more precise than your general answer for curving the ball. But I do have one question: you are aware of the fact that only face angle determines what part of the ball that is struck, not the swing path, correct?

[jclark]

Your post was… not entirely, strictly on topic. The topic here is more precise than your general answer for curving the ball. But I do have one question: you are aware of the fact that only face angle determines what part of the ball that is struck, not the swing path, correct?

What? I was not aware of this. How could an outside-in path hit the inside of the golf ball with the face pointed in ANY direction? I'm not challenging you but asking because I know you have an answer.

[iacas]

What? I was not aware of this. How could an outside-in path hit the inside of the golf ball with the face pointed in ANY direction? I'm not challenging you but asking because I know you have an answer.

I sent you a PM, but I'd like the person I asked to answer the question.

[CUT69]

Your post was… not entirely, strictly on topic. The topic here is more precise than your general answer for curving the ball.

But I do have one question: you are aware of the fact that only face angle determines what part of the ball that is struck, not the swing path, correct?

Well, I am not a pro but can play the game well and nope not a clue about face angle compared to swing path. SOOO I guess in order to hit a draw with lots of lag you have to have perfect timing, got it!

[iacas]

Well, I am not a pro but can play the game well and nope not a clue about face angle compared to swing path. SOOO I guess in order to hit a draw with lots of lag you have to have perfect timing, got it!

How did "timing" get in this conversation? So you're not aware that path plays no role in determining what part of the ball is struck? That it's purely face angle?

[CUT69]

What? I was not aware of this. How could an outside-in path hit the inside of the golf ball with the face pointed in ANY direction? I'm not challenging you but asking because I know you have an answer.

A outside to in swing path will hit the outside of the ball which causes a fade/cut/slice spin on the ball. The face can be square in any direction and still produce a cut or draw due to the swing path because you are hitting the inside or outside half of the ball producing the spin needed to "curve" the ball.

[CUT69]

How did "timing" get in this conversation?

So you're not aware that path plays no role in determining what part of the ball is struck? That it's purely face angle?

Aaaaa, but it does. So if you have a in to out swing you dont think you are hitting the ball on the outside half producing cut/slice spin. It sure seems to work for me.

[CUT69]

Aaaaa, but it does. So if you have a in to out swing you dont think you are hitting the ball on the outside half producing cut/slice spin. It sure seems to work for me.

Im sorry with a in to out swing you would be hitting the inside half producing draw/hook spin. Sorry about that.

[iacas]

[CUT69]

How did "timing" get in this conversation?

So you're not aware that path plays no role in determining what part of the ball is struck? That it's purely face angle?

How does swing path not determine what part of the ball is struck?  Can you explain what the face angle should be when you hit a cut compared to what part of the ball the face makes contact with

when you hit a cut. What part of the ball is the face "angle" making contact with to produce that cut? Inside half or outside half, maybe I am confused.

"Timing" got involved when you say face angle, I am assuming you are producing a cut or draw with turning the club at impact either to produce a cut or draw. In order to do that you would have to have perfect" timing", I dont understand please explain.

[iacas]

How does swing path not determine what part of the ball is struck?  Can you explain what the face angle should be when you hit a cut compared to what part of the ball the face makes contact with when you hit a cut. What part of the ball is the face "angle" making contact with to produce that cut?

Please read what I've already written. I even included a nice graphic.

"Timing" got involved when you say face angle, I am assuming you are producing a cut or draw with turning the club at impact either to produce a cut or draw.

You're assuming incorrectly, and I'd refer you here: http://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws .

[saevel25]

How does swing path not determine what part of the ball is struck?  Can you explain what the face angle should be when you hit a cut compared to what part of the ball the face makes contact with

Because the ball is a sphere for all intent and purposes. Meaning that anything that makes in contact with a ball will be perpendicular to the cover. If you have a perfect sphere rolling along the ground, with no friction, the contact point is perpendicular to the ground and the ball. Given the ball isn't perfect, and there is friction, but it proves the point that the angle of which the ball makes contact with the surface is totally dictated by the angle of the surface. This means it doesn't matter which way the clubface is traveling, the point of contact will be the face angle, given some constraints being the physical size of the club head and the possibility of hitting the hosel or completely missing the ball.