Shootings in Alabama

[bste]

If I were you, I'd wish I lived in a state where those lunatics weren't allowed to carry to "protect themselves."

Lunatics are all around us. Look at the person next to you, does he/she not look right?

[jusanothajoe]

LOL, that is clever!!!

Why so defensive??  What makes you automatically assume that since I think it's silly to argue this topic again that I am on the opposite side of it?

Well, to start with this was not a 2nd amendment debate. I was stating facts about two tragic shooting that took place very close to me. Never said you were on the opposite side. If you think the subject matter is silly, you don't have to comment you can just change the channel.

[14ledo81]

I agree.  Because nobody would have a gun, including the lunatic.  Nothing to stop.

I'm the tin foil hat wearing weirdo who thinks that we need guns to protect us from the government, not the crazy guy next door.  If we restrict guns, the crazy guy doesn't have them either.  But the government still does.  So it really only gives you a comparative disadvantage vis a vis the government, while likely protecting you from the crazy person.

I think the "crazy" guy will find/get a gun regardless of the law.

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Originally Posted by dsc123

I agree.  Because nobody would have a gun, including the lunatic.  Nothing to stop.

I'm the tin foil hat wearing weirdo who thinks that we need guns to protect us from the government, not the crazy guy next door.  If we restrict guns, the crazy guy doesn't have them either.  But the government still does.  So it really only gives you a comparative disadvantage vis a vis the government, while likely protecting you from the crazy person.

If guns were made illegal today you think no one would have a gun ? Criminals don't obey laws. It would only take guns away from honest people.

I see your tin foil hat and raise you my bullet proof vest.

Yup.

[jusanothajoe]

Where I live, Maryland, and where I work, DC, you need a permit and can only get one upon a showing of good cause.  In DC, that's the new law passed because the flat out ban was struck down.

I actually support the right to bear arms, but for completely different reasons.  I just think these "protect myself" from the lunatic arguments are bunk.  If a guy walked into your office to kill you, you likely would never have a chance.  Maybe in the context of a mass shooting, but I don't think we've ever seen a private carrying citizen stop one of those, either.

You have now

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace

[dsc123]

Lunatics are all around us. Look at the person next to you, does he/she not look right?

The lady to my right is kinda hot, actually.

You have now

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace

Eh.  The guy is a cop, and the attacker was a lady with a knife who cut one person's head off.  I don't think that qualifies.

[jusanothajoe]

The lady to my right is kinda hot, actually.

Eh.  The guy is a cop, and the attacker was a lady with a knife who cut one person's head off.  I don't think that qualifies.

The shooter was a CEO of a company. And a reserve deputy. The attacker was not a lady, don't see where that matters anyhow.

What does qualify ? I bet it has to be very specific.

It qualifies for me, bravo! to the armed citizen for stepping in and preventing more bloodshed.

[jusanothajoe]

The lady to my right is kinda hot, actually.

Eh.  The guy is a cop, and the attacker was a lady with a knife who cut one person's head off.  I don't think that qualifies.

She only cut one persons head off................................................ Bwahahahahahahahaha !!!!!!

[lumpuckeroo]

Where I live, Maryland, and where I work, DC, you need a permit and can only get one upon a showing of good cause.  In DC, that's the new law passed because the flat out ban was struck down.

I actually support the right to bear arms, but for completely different reasons.  I just think these "protect myself" from the lunatic arguments are bunk.  If a guy walked into your office to kill you, you likely would never have a chance.  Maybe in the context of a mass shooting, but I don't think we've ever seen a private carrying citizen stop one of those, either.

You've never heard about it, because the liberal media would never report it.  It has happened, http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#dp3t61

[dsc123]

I personally believe that to qualify as stopping a mass shooting, there should be (1) a shooting; and (2) multiple deaths or threatened individuals..  But that's fine, take the victory.  1 of the last 39358590 gun deaths has now been prevented.  Seems effective.

The more interesting question is why all of sudden all these people are killing others when they get fired.

[dsc123]

You've never heard about it, because the liberal media would never report it.  It has happened, http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#dp3t61

I stand corrected.  10 out of 39358590.  How do we count shootouts between rival gangs?

[jusanothajoe]

I personally believe that to qualify as stopping a mass shooting, there should be (1) a shooting; and (2) multiple deaths or threatened individuals..  But that's fine, take the victory.  1 of the last 39358590 gun deaths has now been prevented.  Seems effective.

The more interesting question is why all of sudden all these people are killing others when they get fired.

That is the me,me,me,me,me, society we live in today. Had to be some one else's fault, couldn't be that I'm just not a good worker.

Neither of the shootings that happened this week were mass shootings. First one, two people were killed, second, one person was killed.

But you can spin it any way you want.

[Jeremie Boop]

I personally believe that to qualify as stopping a mass shooting, there should be (1) a shooting; and (2) multiple deaths or threatened individuals..  But that's fine, take the victory.  1 of the last 39358590 gun deaths has now been prevented.  Seems effective.

The more interesting question is why all of sudden all these people are killing others when they get fired.

All the sudden? This has happened many times throughout my 35 year lifetime. Jeeze, don't you remember the phrase "going postal"?

Disgruntled employees who return to their job, or ex-job, to wreak havoc is definitely nothing new.

[dsc123]

All the sudden? This has happened many times throughout my 35 year lifetime. Jeeze, don't you remember the phrase "going postal"?

Disgruntled employees who return to their job, or ex-job, to wreak havoc is definitely nothing new.

Sure, but this is like the third time this week.  And I think only one of them was a postal worker.

[dsc123]

That is the me,me,me,me,me, society we live in today. Had to be some one else's fault, couldn't be that I'm just not a good worker.

Neither of the shootings that happened this week were mass shootings. First one, two people were killed, second, one person was killed.

But you can spin it any way you want.

you're confusing two different things.  My point about mass shootings was about your claim that they can be stopped by average joe carry, but pointing to an article about a part time cop shooting a guy cutting someone's head off with a knife.  It was neither a shooting, or mass.  The shootings this week, were not stopped by average joe carry.  But I'm not really interested in continuing this anymore.

[trickyputt]

Since I work with people who work where the Alabama UPS shooting occurred, I was told the fellow had been in a motorcycle wreck and suffered mentally from it. There is a lot to talk about when it comes to mental health support in the general population. Especially with a medical insurance system that cant support you unless you can check a box on a form for a known, specific procedure. I think the medical side has some growing up to do here. Modern medicine being driven by a dollar is understandable. Not having mental health dragnets for those dollars, not so much.

[Lihu]

Two workplace shootings in one week. Both seem to have been committed by terminated employees. Both were about ten miles from where I work. As a supervisor that has to terminate employees when necessary myself, I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to carry and protect myself. Believe it or not, there ARE bad people out there.

I suppose it really depends upon how you fire the individuals. It seems like a friendly and cordial agreement that things are not working out would be better than some other way, so it would not invoke some kind of revenge instinct? Even if you do carry a gun, the vengeful ex-employee would have the "draw on you". He picks the time and place, not you. Best to be a good supervisor, and try to be understanding to the needs of your employees even when you need to terminate their position at your company.

[ilikefishes]

Mental health in this country is a joke. It must be all O's fault.

[Lihu]

Mental health in this country is a joke. It must be all O's fault.

So, we're talking about mental health and carry and conceal in one thread? Not sure I like the direction it's headed. . .