My Swing (ryunin)

[ryunin]

I've been Playing Golf for: 1 and half years

My current handicap index or average score is: about HCP 54

My typical ball flight is: straight

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: flipping at the ball

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[iacas]

Head moves back, Key #2 nearly impossible to achieve.

I admire the intent in working on short strokes first, but… there's an argument to be made that it won't really serve you in the long term like you think it might. You might have to re-learn things again when you lengthen your swing the next bit.

[ryunin]

Thank you, iacas,  for your analysis, so you somehow found out the line of shaft and left arm at impact.  It is too blurred for me, but it you are right, that means the shaft is not correctly angled at impact and I am flipping. After watching this video I noticed one flaw and that is not moving forward with the core at all, I stay back. I will try to make sure I don't make this mistake again. Not sure how typical this recorded swing is for me, it could be worse than the swings where I hit the balls on sweetspot, this was in a gym, with a foam ball, no feedback from the ball, and I am always a bit nervous when I videorecord myself.

I work on this little swing in order to ingrain the correct shaft and correct path of the clubhead in the impact zone. I'd like to gradually add length to the swing. I can do full swings, but with all kinds of results, now I'd like to do step by step work. I hope if one ingrains, really ingranes one bit that is correct, the bit will last, as long as it is practiced as part of the swing and repeated as drill from time to time.

[colin007]

Not sure if @iacas would agree, but it's been said that it's better to learn how to hit the ball hard with a full swing and then refine it from there. I'm prolly talking out of my ass.

[iacas]

I work on this little swing in order to ingrain the correct shaft and correct path of the clubhead in the impact zone. I'd like to gradually add length to the swing. I can do full swings, but with all kinds of results, now I'd like to do step by step work. I hope if one ingrains, really ingranes one bit that is correct, the bit will last, as long as it is practiced as part of the swing and repeated as drill from time to time.

Just being honest… I don't really find that to be the case. I think you'll do more working on the same things over and over again than you realize right now.

I'd make full golf swings and work from there.

Case in point: bogey golfers or 25 handicappers can deliver a ton of shaft lean with their chip shots and still flip the snot out of it on their full swings.

[ryunin]

Just being honest… I don't really find that to be the case. I think you'll do more working on the same things over and over again than you realize right now.

I'd make full golf swings and work from there.

Case in point: bogey golfers or 25 handicappers can deliver a ton of shaft lean with their chip shots and still flip the snot out of it on their full swings.

I have practiced full swings with my teacher. After a few lessons he reached the conclusion that my mid iron full swing is OK only it is a bit too forceful. He never told me that I flip at the ball, didn\t tell me that I should take a  divot, only at the first lesson he made some big changes to a few things, like my stance, rotation of my core and shoulders, and  some othres and after a few lessons he just said now your swing is pretty good, only  it is still too forceful. So I decided to start working on details on my own. And I want to have a lesson with my teacher to check if I am going in the right direction or not. Last time on grass my biggest problem with mid irons was that the divots were under the ball or at best started under the ball and continued forward. I would like to move do the divots to the front but my teacher seems to be happy when he sees that I can hit the ball cleanly and straight - divot or no divot. So I am now working on details according to Jim McLean's online lessons. Began with the pinch drill to have the right position at impact. NOt sure what I learned exactly from this drill and this video I uploaded doesn't seem to show any progress but the progress I have made is consistently hitting balls sweet with this swing so something must have happened.

[ryunin]

Everything different today. Can I post a new video in the same thread?

I went to the driving range and did my best to hit down. I hit "down???" about 40 balls, all balls the same way, the same feeling, dull bang into the mat, only wasn't sure I was hitting the mat behind or in front of the ball.... so I spot an  experienced golf teacher. I asked him to help me analyze what I was doing. I told him I had been hitting carbon copies of balls for 20 minutes, trying to hit down but was not sure what was happening. I showed him this little swing. It was exactly like all the rest. He said it was clean. I asked him why it was such a dull, unpleasant feeling, and he said it was due to the mat. So he confirmed that my carbon copies of ball hitting were not all fat shots, but all balls "compressed". First it means the video I posted is irellevant, second it means I have done my homework. Learned this little short swing hitting down on the ball. Now the next step I want to do is make a half swing maintaining the same "compression" or hitting down.  BTW I tried to pull out my "soft" mat  hoping to recreate the recent sweet soft shots I thought was possible thanks to the soft mat. To my bewilderment, the sweet nice hits were gone. I felt the same dull hitting down to this mat. Something must have changed. Probably I scooped the balls nicely on the sweet spot and that gave me that nice soft feel. Now as I am hitting down, even my softer mat becomes "hard".

[boogielicious]

Everything different today. Can I post a new video in the same thread?

I went to the driving range and did my best to hit down. I hit "down???" about 40 balls, all balls the same way, the same feeling, dull bang into the mat, only wasn't sure I was hitting the mat behind or in front of the ball.... so I spot an  experienced golf teacher. I asked him to help me analyze what I was doing. I told him I had been hitting carbon copies of balls for 20 minutes, trying to hit down but was not sure what was happening. I showed him this little swing. It was exactly like all the rest. He said it was clean. I asked him why it was such a dull, unpleasant feeling, and he said it was due to the mat. So he confirmed that my carbon copies of ball hitting were not all fat shots, but all balls "compressed". First it means the video I posted is irellevant, second it means I have done my homework. Learned this little short swing hitting down on the ball. Now the next step I want to do is make a half swing maintaining the same "compression" or hitting down.  BTW I tried to pull out my "soft" mat  hoping to recreate the recent sweet soft shots I thought was possible thanks to the soft mat. To my bewilderment, the sweet nice hits were gone. I felt the same dull hitting down to this mat. Something must have changed. Probably I scooped the balls nicely on the sweet spot and that gave me that nice soft feel. Now as I am hitting down, even my softer mat becomes "hard".

Use this thread a a running history of your work.  Post updates and new videos when you want.  You can also post videos of drills you are working on and other things like putting, chipping, pitching, etc.

[ryunin]

Use this thread a a running history of your work.  Post updates and new videos when you want.  You can also post videos of drills you are working on and other things like putting, chipping, pitching, etc.

Great, thank you, I will.

[ryunin]

my problems with iron - flipping basically solved - not consistently hitting down, but when I warm up and relax, it works quite often, I sometimes even have a series of well hit, down on the ball shots

now my struggles with the driver - ther is no ball this time but at least it shows the biggest problems and how bigger they probably are when the ball is there

the hips don't seem to be that passive like until recently, but the whole basis -  legs seems to lack stability and what I do at the top is ugly, I want to get rid of that extra top nonsense which is only makings things worse

[iacas]

now my struggles with the driver - ther is no ball this time but at least it shows the biggest problems and how bigger they probably are when the ball is there

That matters a LOT. It essentially makes the video useless or nearly useless.

[ryunin]

That matters a LOT. It essentially makes the video useless or nearly useless.

OK, at least I will try to get rid of some of the ugliness and will use a ball next time.