Chipping/pitching with bounce

[Mop Bucket]

I seem to bounce it when I'm near the green or need it to land soft. I prefer the first method you described whenever I have some green to work with, but I feel both have their benefits in different situations.

[natureboy]

On 4/24/2016 at 1:22 AM, natureboy said:

I was too. I practiced a few low powered ones off my carpet and found some things I think I was doing. Basically too many full swing elements creeping in (it's early in the season).

Adjustments that seemed to help my results:

• slightly more axis tilt feel toward the target (more level shoulders than full swing set up and impact)
• shoulders more open to stance than normal for me (may not be officially advised but it improved my impact vs shoulders parallel to target line)
• softer hands and arms (more 'floppy' and less 'engaged' through impact than in full swing)
• takeaway with trail hand knuckles facing ground (a little like a forehand frisbee wrist cock) and releasing similarly 'under'
• elbows slide back/behind along the side of the body on backswing and follow through
• the biggest feel improvement was 'pulling the lead shoulder back / behind and level rather than raising the lead shoulder with an extending 'firm' lead side like in a full shot...at times it almost felt like the lead shoulder going 'straight' back behind me was pulling the relatively passive trail hand through the ball

And I noticed for me - don't know if this is dogma - that I got best contact when the lead shoulder 'retraction' (level left rotation) started while the club head was still moving away from target on the backswing.

[alleztom]

 

21 minutes ago, natureboy said:

Adjustments that seemed to help my results:

• slightly more axis tilt feel toward the target (more level shoulders than full swing set up and impact)
• shoulders more open to stance than normal for me (may not be officially advised but it improved my impact vs shoulders parallel to target line)
• softer hands and arms (more 'floppy' and less 'engaged' through impact than in full swing)
• takeaway with trail hand knuckles facing ground (a little like a forehand frisbee wrist cock) and releasing similarly 'under'
• elbows slide back/behind along the side of the body on backswing and follow through
• the biggest feel improvement was 'pulling the lead shoulder back / behind and level rather than raising the lead shoulder with an extending 'firm' lead side like in a full shot...at times it almost felt like the lead shoulder going 'straight' back behind me was pulling the relatively passive trail hand through the ball

I've spent quite a bit of time working on chipping effectively over the last month or so - and after a lot of experimentation I've basically made every single one of these changes. The only thing I'd add is that the bottom hand feels like it is throwing a ball underhand (underarm? Not sure of the American terminology), this helps me not 'quit' on the shot; not to force acceleration, but not to decelerate either.

[natureboy]

On April 25, 2016 at 11:11 AM, alleztom said:

I've spent quite a bit of time working on chipping effectively over the last month or so

The accepted terminology on the board is that a 'pitch' is any shot where the intent is to slide the club through the ball gliding along the bounce for a 'bruising'  of the ground, while a 'chip' is about everything else where the leading edge is expected to engage the turf first (after the ball). I get that you mean working on shots around the green.

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The only thing I'd add is that the bottom hand feels like it is throwing a ball underhand (underarm? Not sure of the American terminology), this helps me not 'quit' on the shot; not to force acceleration, but not to decelerate either.

But a 'soft toss' underhand yes? Another analogy might be a very soft underhand lob in tennis (for the hand motion - not the amount of force involved).

[alleztom]

21 hours ago, natureboy said:

The accepted terminology on the board is that a 'pitch' is any shot where the intent is to slide the club through the ball gliding along the bounce for a 'bruising'  of the ground, while a 'chip' is about everything else where the leading edge is expected to engage the turf first (after the ball). I get that you mean working on shots around the green.

But a 'soft toss' underhand yes? Another analogy might be a very soft underhand lob in tennis (for the hand motion - not the amount of force involved).

Yep - no need to Winston Smith me - I mean pitching in that sense. Yes I like that - a lobbed toss, like you really want the person to catch the ball, so it flies in the air like a parabola, not a bullet.