Bobby Jones Black Hybrid

[Hacker James]

I was just looking at a commercial featuring Bobby Jones Black Hybrid.  I am a long time supporter of Jesse Ortiz products and am considering a purchase. I currently have in the bag:

Driver,Big Bertha 3W (women's flex), Calloway Diablo 4H, Ben Hogan Speed Slot 5W, rest are irons 4 through SW.

My question is: which hybrid to buy?  I am thinking 21 Deg senior flex which would be a 3 iron replacement if I am correct. or should I go with Regular Flex?

One point I would like to make is that the Big Bertha 3w with GEM shaft, although I like the feel, I notice that I need to swing it a little slower for best results and also it has a wimpy sound but for the most part performs alright.

 

[WUTiger]

46 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

My question is: which hybrid to buy?  I am thinking 21 Deg senior flex which would be a 3 iron replacement if I am correct. or should I go with Regular Flex?

I looked at some BJ Black Hybrid reviews, and the Ortiz equipment website, but couldn't find any specs on the shafts. Our site reviewed the FWs, but not the hybrids. Another site did a Black Hybrid Review in 2014, and said Graphite Design G-Series shafts were stock (but listed no models).

I would suggest  you contact Jesse Ortiz and find the weight and model of the shafts. If the shaft is heavier, a Senior flex might work. If the shaft is lighter, an R-flex might work. (If you had data from a Mizuno shaft optimizer, it would give you clues on what shaft profile might work for  you.)

That's the problem with mail-order clubs. You don't get to test them first. I'm not sure what refunds Jesse gives if they don't work out. If I'm going to spend $200 on a club, I want hit it first.

Any chance a friend has one you can try?

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Note on 3W: if you start having trouble from varying your swing tempo, try out a 4W in R-flex. The extra loft plus firmer shaft might work out nice.

[Hacker James]

according to the ad, the shaft weight for the 21 Deg is 235 g. In viewing his video, jesse actually had a "Black Beauty" in his hands. The BJ Black is more than likely this years model of the same club.  I will try and see if I can get the model of shaft. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Bobby Jones  run a little softer. If that is so, then I should go Reg. Nobody I know has one and I do not know if any of the big box stores carry them or would let me try it out.  I will say, I love my Orlimar Hip Ti driver, although a few years old, I like the smaller head size. 

took another look at the offering. They have it at a discount, and they do offer a 100% 30 day return policy. No contact info on the ad from RX Golf.  I will continue looking for the Ortiz web site, or if you happen to have it, would you give me the link?

[Hacker James]

24 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

according to the ad, the shaft weight for the 21 Deg is 235 g. In viewing his video, jesse actually had a "Black Beauty" in his hands. The BJ Black is more than likely this years model of the same club.  I will try and see if I can get the model of shaft. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Bobby Jones  run a little softer. If that is so, then I should go Reg. Nobody I know has one and I do not know if any of the big box stores carry them or would let me try it out.  I will say, I love my Orlimar Hip Ti driver, although a few years old, I like the smaller head size. 

took another look at the offering. They have it at a discount, and they do offer a 100% 30 day return policy. No contact info on the ad from RX Golf.  I will continue looking for the Ortiz web site, or if you happen to have it, would you give me the link?

thats okay...found it...Thanks

[WUTiger]

4 hours ago, Hacker James said:

according to the ad, the shaft weight for the 21 Deg is 235 g.

HJ, I saw the ads also, and the 235 grams is the weight of the head. The shaft weights are not listed in the ads I saw.

[Hacker James]

20 minutes ago, WUTiger said:

HJ, I saw the ads also, and the 235 grams is the weight of the head. The shaft weights are not listed in the ads I saw.

haha...yes, I realize that now.  DUH.  I sent them an email requesting model, of the shaft. Never-the-less, I will be going with the regular flex should I decide to buy. The lie angle is adjustable as well, not that one would want to once they decided. Only 2 choices, std, and flat. The prices are the same if purchased on Bobby Jones Site. Thanks again.

[Hacker James]

@WUTiger here is copy of the emal response I got from Bobby Jones

 

Spoiler

Hello,

Thank you for your email.

 

Hybrids use players series graphite shaft

 

Made by Rapport. They make shafts for mostly Japanese companies like Mauruman.

 

The Graphite Design shafts are set for the following speeds:

 

 

95+ mph = Stiff

 

80 to 94 = Reg

 

Below 80 = Senior

 

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

 

Kind regards,

Christine

On Tue, 27 Sep at 8:22 PM , James Hunt <james92026@yahoo.com> wrote:

Considering purchase of BJ Black 21Deg thrugh RX Golf at $179.  I would like to know what model shaft is used?  fwiw, I am 75 yrs old, and normally use Regular Flex, 6 ft 1, 175 lbs. (fit).

 

Thanks

 

[Hacker James]

OK,pulled the trigger. Order placed. They also gave me access to several videos on how to use hybrid. Most pretty basic stuff: Hit like 7 iron, downhill lie, uphill lie, ball above feet, ball below feet, hitting out of rough, fairway bunker, greenside chips, adjusting like angle. Anybody curious, check back with me in a week or so and I will give you my opinions. An older model has been officially reviewed on TST, but not sure if it was a hybrid, or fairway wood.

[Hacker James]

First impressions.  Looks good, feels good out of the box.  Gonzo Like It!

I like the triangular head design, with weight located behind the apex. The curved sole is a bit different than most hybrids and is a selling point along with the "cup" design face as opposed to an insert. The dull mat black finish is quite appealing with minimal graphics. At address it is easy to spot the ball and you get a clear view of alignment. The shaft is 58g and I chose the regular flex. It is a Graphic Designs Shaft Players Series JS. The loft of the head is 21 deg. It has an adjustable lie angle offering standard and 2 deg flat. Simply use the supplied allen wrench to loosen the head, rotate the shaft, re-tighten. I tried both settings but did not notice any appreciable difference. This may change when I get a chance to try it out on the range. I am not a professional reviewer, and can only state that it feels great and has a nice balance to it. I like the solid sound it makes and it appears to be fairly forgiving on off center hits giving it a respectful M.O.I. and owing to the construction, a high C.O.R.  The first thing I noticed was the face reminds me of the old Orlimar Miraged Tri-Metals made famous by Jesse Ortiz, which stands to reason as he is now affiliated with Bobby Jones Golf. The only disparaging thing I can think of is there is a label at the end of the shaft that states "components made and assembled in China", but I would wager, that is not all uncommon these days. (Don't tell The Donald).