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I finished! It was a good exercise and I'm glad I did it. I started again but instead of sorting the rules in a random order, I take a rules quiz on usga.org and I let any incorrect answers determine what rules I'm reading next. On thing I don't like about the quizzes on usga.org is that Basic level always includes questions I'm not interested in. Like there's always one specific to match play and one specific to Four Ball - two formats I never play. I'm kind of surprised they're considered Basic because I assume most people are like me and are virtually always stroke play. So I may try to find a different quiz and if anyone has a suggestion, I'd appreciate it.
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On the putting green? If your ball is not in the general area, you don't get relief, so technically you aren't allowed to substitute. But on the green, it says "replace the ball" so my guess is that's the exception.
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When taking a lateral relief option, the relief area is always one club length for free relief and always two club lengths for relief with a penalty. I've always heard that, but I'm not sure how to determine if it's true.
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I decided to read all the rules - one per day. I couldn't find a decent list of rules at the granularity I wanted, so I copied the PDF from the USGA and stripped out the stuff I didn't want. It was a little bit of work, so I thought I'd make the list available if anyone else wants it. GolfRuleEveryDay - Google Sheets Sheet1 Rule,Description,DateSched,DateCompleted 6.4,Order of Play When Playing Hole,5/25/2023,5/25/2023 5.7,Stopping Play; Resuming Play,5/26/2023,5/26/2023 17.2,Options After Playing Ball from Penalty... I put the rules in a random order, which I thought would be more interesting. I read the rule, the clarifications, and any definitions at usga.org. It's been a good exercise. As you can see from the dates, I don't stick to one rule a day.
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Yeah, that was a head scratcher for me too. I found it in 5J (4).
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Thanks. The rope is a movable obstruction and they were OK to play it as they did. Appreciate the help.
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A green is surrounded on three sides by water, the path is between the green and the penalty area, and between the path and the penalty area is a rope. The rope looks like this No stakes to define the penalty area. Players ball lies between the rope and the path. I say the player's ball is not in the penalty area. In the absence of stakes, it's where the ground starts to slope toward the water. Is that correct? If so, he's entitled to relief from the rope. The relief options stink. The NPR is on the path and relief from the path puts him in the tall grass on a pretty severe slope. So he wants to play it as it lies. The rope limits the golfer to a 1/4 back swing. Another golfer holds the rope up allowing for 1/2 back swing. I looked it up later because I didn't know, but it appears that according to 8.1a, a player can't move, bend or break any immovable obstruction. That seems to be what happened here. Everyone was interested if that was the right ruling so I said I'd post it here. Is violation of 8.1a and the general penalty right? Thanks
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Local Rule E-5 Drop Area on a Dogleg
Dick Kusleika replied to Dick Kusleika's topic in Rules of Golf
Every example I see only has a small bit of fairway in the relief area, which is why I mistakenly thought I had to draw a triangle. I have yet to see a USGA or other example that includes a large swath of fairway (although to be fair, 15 minutes of Google image search isn't very exhaustive). But that is a good and illustrative example and I appreciate you posting it. -
Local Rule E-5 Drop Area on a Dogleg
Dick Kusleika replied to Dick Kusleika's topic in Rules of Golf
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I sent this to my golf league to demonstrate the drop are for local rule e-5 in lieu of stroke and distance. But now I think maybe it should have been this That second one gives you a lot more options to be in the fairway and avoid trees on the right. Can you confirm that one of those is right or help me understand where I've gone wrong?
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They did? Yeah, I totally missed that. Now I have to take back all the bad things I said about them this season.
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Because included in those stats from years ago were stats from just last season.
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I kept hole-by-hole and advanced stats with GHIN for several years. Then they redid their website and all those stats are gone. I emailed them to ask if there was any way to get those back and they said "no". I think it would take a personal call from the CEO of the USGA assuring me they would not do that again before I would trust them with my data. Shame on me for not backing it up. The best part of the old advanced stats was the report where it compared you to other golfers in your handicap range. It would show my stats next to the average of 5,000 other rounds. I hit more fairways, fewer greens, more penalties, and more putts than my peers. Oh, and apparently I'm the only 8 handicap that can't get up and down out of the sand one out of every three times. I really wanted them to change that report so that I could pick what handicap range to compare to. I would be interesting to see how my stats compared to the next level, like sub 5, so I could see where i was most deficient. But instead, they just got rid of that report entirely. Now I keep my stats in Excel. I can't compare it to other golfers from there either, but at least I know it's safe.
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Testing the Condition of a Bunker — Digging in With Your Feet
Dick Kusleika replied to iacas's topic in Rules of Golf
Then why is there an exception for digging in to make a stroke? If whatever you do with you feet is OK (or at least not addressed), then no need to make the exception. Really strange response by them, I think.- 39 replies
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How Much "Simpler" Are the 2019 Rules, Really?
Dick Kusleika replied to iacas's topic in Rules of Golf
I'm in dangerous territory talking about these changes given the small amount of time I've spent on them. My understanding was that the relief options are the same for red and yellow stakes. That is, they eliminated dropping on the other side of a hazard. But as I type this I realize that wasn't the only difference so it's even less of a simplification than I had in my head. I think the drop area is measured by your longest club (excluding putter) where it used to be any club you choose. One club instead of a choice of clubs. Simpler. Although I have to admit I never saw anyone use their sand wedge to measure, so the "simplicity" probably affects zero people. I agree. None of these are big. But what would be? They could have made the relief options for all penalty areas identical, but even that wouldn't have been that big of a change.- 54 replies
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How Much "Simpler" Are the 2019 Rules, Really?
Dick Kusleika replied to iacas's topic in Rules of Golf
Having the same relief options for penalty areas. Removing the choice of clubs for marking off a drop. And generally any time they remove a penalty, I consider it a simplification (hitting the flag stick from on the green, loose impediments in bunkers and penalty areas). If there's no penalty, there's nothing to remember. None of those are big, even collectively. But like you said, what could they have done. I can't come up with any way that I would simplify the rules that wouldn't drastically alter the nature of the game.- 54 replies
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How Much "Simpler" Are the 2019 Rules, Really?
Dick Kusleika replied to iacas's topic in Rules of Golf
I voted 'quite a bit' until I read your answer. I looked at how much they simplified compared to how much they could have simplified and concluded they did a lot. But in absolute value of simpleness, I think it's about the same so I changed my vote to that.- 54 replies
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Game Golf Live Continued Use
Dick Kusleika replied to Dick Kusleika's topic in Balls, Carts/Bags, Apparel, Gear, Etc.
Due to some personal projects this Summer, I'm not practicing. I'm just trying to hold serve. But normally I do and I will be back to actively trying to get better next year. When you look at approach shots over time, how do you do that? For instance, I can see how far my clubs go and change from all rounds, to last 20, to last 10 etc. But I haven't found a place that shows me how stats change over time on one page. One thing that's pushing me to keep doing it is that I may want that data in the future. If Game Golf ever lets us get at the raw data, I'll be sad if I could have had a whole season worth of data to play with but stopped tracking. I will admit that I like the post round review that editing forces me to do (there's always a couple holes that I'd rather forget). I didn't mean to imply that my "slight anxiety" was rational - I know it's not. -
I bought a Game Golf Live when then Pro model came out and it went on sale . I have 18 rounds logged and I got some good information out of it. It was definitely worth the cost. But now I'm wondering if it's worth the ongoing effort. I feel like I've gotten all the information out of it that there is to get. I hear that a lot of people like the tagging as part of their pre-shot routine, but I'm not one of those people. It's not a lot of effort, but it causes me a slight amount of anxiety a few times per round wondering if I remembered to tag. I also have to remember to charge the belt clip. Like I said, it's not a *lot* of effort, but it's not nothing. I'm thinking about putting it on a shelf until something changes - swing change, new clubs, etc. If you're continuing to use a shot tracking system after your stats stabilized, do you find the benefits diminish over time? Have you considered stopping using it?
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Isn't "as near as possible (not closer to the hole) to the spot where it embedded on the second drop" in the pitch mark that I wasn't able to repair?
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Water hazard: dropped a ball then found the first?
Dick Kusleika replied to krupa's topic in Rules of Golf
From the local rule: "The ball is played provisionally under any of the applicable options under Rule 26-1 " Why does the local rule say "any of the applicable options" if it's only option a? Do you think 27-2 would override the local rule and limit the options available? I've never interpreted it that way, but they do seem to contradict each other. -
Water hazard: dropped a ball then found the first?
Dick Kusleika replied to krupa's topic in Rules of Golf
You can't play the original under 26-1 options, but you can play the provisional under those options, right? So it's not stroke-and-distance only for the provisional. You could, for instance, drop within two club lengths of a red-staked margin and call that provisional.