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I saw a couple videos on YouTube about this league. It seems it started a few days ago. thoughts?

I wouldn't buy but for free it would be a good opportunity to go with family or friends that are not into golf. Yes.. it is golf.. but louder! .. music, drinks with golf in the background cant be that bad.

Par is just a guideline, a reference for a hole or a course. At the end of the tournament the player that took less strokes to hole out is the winner, no matter how much it is against the Par of the course. 35 under par is not desirable? then change a few holes par.. make all reachable par 5's as par 4's. Every hole below 350 is a par 3.. This will make those 7200 courses play "harder" with a par of 66..67. (Ridiculous, let's just appreciate the amazing game this players have).

I totally agree with this but beginners are not good players that can adjust to almost every club setup. A ping certified fitter, ex pro that plays at my home course, told me that the idea of the fitting in this case is to give the player the clubs that are at least suited for his body type in general. (body, arms, hands, strength, speed, etc) so he can go an play or have lessons with clubs that are not perfect for him but close enough. From there is up to the player to come back for another fitting in the future in case he feels his current clubs are no longer suited for his new swing/mechanics. So.. I vote basic club fitting then lessons.

Totally agree with this new policy. Should be applied to every sport in general, most of all in contact sports were woman are getting seriously insured like boxing.. mma.. etc.

First time playing this game, Spanish is my native language. It was impossible for me. After 4 worlds I run out of worlds that have the letters I've already found that can be combined with the remaining letters.. just repeated the 4th world to knew the answer. I know the world but it never came to my mind.

Just add new stats of speed of play to the tour. Average time to hit a shot Number of shots per round the player took more than 40 seconds to play a shot Number of times under the clock Numbers of warnings per round for slow play Number of penalty strokes per round for slow play Number of times the player took a WC break. Time spend on the WC Number of times the player don't know basic rules and have to call for a rules official Walking average speed Time spend reading yardage books Time spend arguing with the caddie about hitting an impossible shot. Average time looking for a ball beyond 3 minutes. Average time looking for balls on the hazards despite been in the middle of the fairway An a lot more that can give the committee enough information to award penalties after a round, tournament or even a season. Imagine a ruling were a player is awarded to play all April with 1 shot penalty each round because of slow play in March, should be a shit show I would love to see.

Of course he can score in the low 70's in a really short course driving it that short. But the course rating is going to be in the 60's so is not like he can call himself a scratch player.

Having 20-25 yards between 3W and 22 degree hybrid is a good gap over 200 yards. You can get rid of the 19° hybrid and maybe add another wedge. If you want to keep the club maybe you can change the loft's like I do for a better gapping. 3W (15° down to 14°): 250 2H (19° down to 18°) : 230 3H (21° up to 23°) : 210 4 Iron (23°): 190 6 Iron (29°): 175

I was so blind all this time... I was teach almost 30 years ago the little bird analogy and since then I always had a soft grip. Yesterday messing around with whiffle balls and an 8 iron, I compared my normal club speed vs gripping it firm. 87 m/h soft vs 94 m/h firm. Also tested gripping it very firm but brought the speed down again and was a little uncomfortable, I was too tight, even ended the session with a little neck pain. The feeling to have a firmer grip but no that firm was to imagine that the ball was in deep fescue (despite been in a perfect fairway lie), immediately I gripped the club firmer and engaged a couple more muscle before staring the backswing.

Ball flight laws are tridimensional (assuming perfect center contact), you can hit a draw despite having your face open to path if your AoA is enough downwards, and you can hit a fade despite having your face close to path if your AoA is enough upwards. Add gear effect to that and the only way to know why the ball fades or draws is with a launch monitor that tracks the club numbers. Ball flight laws are the current accepted explanation of reality, they are really complicated. I tried to explain them to several people and It was useless, even more if they learned the old laws that were "easier".

Launch conditions and swing mechanics are king. Launch conditions aim for the typical high launch / low spin formula, let say 14° and 2200 rpm. Also with less sidespin as possible. Once you have that, swings mechanics are the most important thing to improve club / ball speed. The concept of snapping a towel or skipping a stone in a lake are key. The golf swing is the same concept but extended to the hole body. Speed training is a good way to learn how to swing faster, but take care of your body it can lead to injury. Is vital for this process to get a launch monitor or a speed meter to measure progress.

Despite I explained my setup (no pictures), is not important. the important thing is to keep the same setup swing after swing. But hey, don't trust my testing . Do one on your own and see if the result are as bad as you anticipated earlier or have some correlation as mine did. In fact my only objective was exactly that, to probe that the woosh of the club and the speed of the club are related and is could be usefull. You are right to point out that the numbers are not perfect, but remember that the PRGR also have accurracy errors (from time to time I get reading wih my 6 iron from 100 to 110 m/h that are of course bad readings ), even the trackman have. But for a free app I think is a good aproximation. Olso knowing this you can swing 10 swing with the old way and 10 with the new way and average the results, numbers are going to be a little more accurate. Feeling from real are 2 different things. Before having the launch monitors (an event after) I would test new swing and thougth that they were more fast, just to be proven wrong after testing them with balls on the course. Maybe it's just me. But it could be a cool experiment if you could predict the speed of the club agianst a speed metter better than the decibel meter can. In fact is proven by science that you could know the speed of an object by the sound it produces. I think we all agree that the more speed you move the club, the more louder whoosh you generate. I tested a single time to prove my teory and results were better that I or everyone spected. Would I spend more time doing it? of course not, I suggest the idea, if someone wants to use it or dig deeper, then great. I already have a PRGR but I would love to know this a few years back to experiment further and use it for my own game.

Thanks! it was a fun experiment and I hope is going to be useful for people that like to go down the rabbit hole like i do but can't afford a launch monitor or even a cheap speed meter. Of course I'm glad the results were positive, even better than I spected, but it is funny to see that only you took the time to post after the results were given, the only one in the thread that was open minded about the idea. The other posters that daily brought down the idea without proper arguments or proof, disappeared after been confronted with actual data. Maybe they are testing this by themselves and are in shock that they are getting the same results as me!

Here are the numbers of the test I just finished. Firstly I tested the app Spectroid were you can messure Hz and Db. Must admit that frecuencies were all over the place and only after 5 swings I switched to another app. Decibels were not normally messured so it was useless info. Then I downloaded a basic decibel meter to repet the test I did earlier in the week. It was the "Sound Analyzer app" and I made 20 swings with my 6 iron. I put a coin in the corner of a tile on the floor, the PRGR 5 feet behind away from the path of the swing and half foot away from the coin (away from me) I set the phone with the decibel metter app and I swan away from the PRGR and parallel to the phone. This are both readings. I ordered the speed from "slow" to "fast" and inserted a graph to see if there is any correlation between the speed and the decibels. As spected on lower swing speeds the ambience sound was even louder than the swoosh of the club so the method was usless. But at higher speeds, beginning at around 60 m/h, it was easy to see that there was a relationship between both. They weren't growing at the same pace but it was proportional. At least for me, for a free app in an old smartphone it seams pretty usefull to know if swing A is faster than swing B in a particular practice session. When you want more speed, all you want to know is if your new move or swing though or technical change is going to give you more or less speed, looking at the decibels is really easy to see that and you don't need to spend money on launch monitors. Of course, if you want someting that can compare your speed from place to place, session to session or club to club then you don't have much choice than go and get the launch monitor you can afford. Bonus: Linear regresion of both variables. Y: db, X: m/h

An you still took several minutes to write several posts and talk to sound engineers. I appreciate that you did! So they basically tell you is possible but you need to be very restrictive. The same thing I found on my research. Temperature: is not going to change much between swing A and swing B. Distance of max club head: even the PRGR take the fastest speed recorded, not the speed at the ball. But this could be diminish by swinging several times each swing and average the results. Angles: also PRGR returns less speed swinging on a certain degree. Clubface orientation: it is also an issue with launch monitors that are not reading the center of the mass of the club. You can have a lot more club speed if your face rotation is higher and your lunch monitor is reading the toe of the club. "Other stuff in the room": are the same from swing A to B, or you can just swing naked! haha This is the main idea, I have a PRGR and Skytrak. There are plenty of people, more here in Argentina, that can't afford a launch monitor. Also wanted to share the idea and let it be challenged by others. I don't mind been wrong, is part of experimenting. I did and all the swings were close to 85 dbs, me swinging at 90 m/h. But I don't mind doing a proper test later in the afternoon writing down the results. I need to find and app that also have frequencies in order to test both.

Digging deeper... you can use the frequency of the woosh also. It is possible to measure the speed of an object using the noise it generates when passing through a decibel reader, but with some limitations and considerations. The method relies on the relationship between the frequency of the sound emitted by the moving object and its speed. When an object moves at a constant speed, it generates sound with a characteristic frequency, known as the "Doppler frequency." The frequency of the sound emitted by the object can be related to its speed using the formula: f = (v / c) * f0 where: - f: frequency of the emitted sound - v: object speed - 😄 speed of sound (approximately 343 m/s in air at standard temperature and pressure) - f0: frequency of the sound emitted when the object is at rest Having "C" been constant, and "f0" been unknown but equal for both swings you only need to compare the frequency of each swing to know how much faster or slower is a swing over the other.

As I told you before, the sound attenuation is 3 db at 1 meter (38"). At 7" (your example) is a wooping 1 db less, for an 80db 7 iron is under 1% error. I know for sure that my PRGR is not that accurate, even my skytrak isn't that accurate. For a FREE unit seams to be promising if you can't afford a speed meter. Again, you are swinging in the same spot, over and over again in the same session. Phone position is the same , background sound is the same, environment is the same. The only difference is the peak sound you produce when you whoosh the club. You need to do a lot better to discharge an idea.

I get that if I do a couple swing today at my home course, and later in the week at my house the decibel readings could be totally different. The surrounding environment of both are totally different so the reading are likely to be different. But for one session only, the current one with the same environment from start to finish, if my normal swing produces 90 decibels as a base line, I should be able to test other swings in order to find one that produces more decibels and expect it to be faster than the base line. I look at this the same way as I work with my PRGR. With 7 iron at home, my average ball speed is 115 but at my home course ball speed is around 120 (same ball, same intent. I guess this is because at my home I don't hit that hard down on the ball to prevent injuries). So.. when the other day I tested a new swing and averaged 122 at home I knew that at the course it should be around 127 and It was almost there at 125. My question is.. if the environment is the same from swing A to swing B, could I compare their speeds by comparing their decibels? Not the exact speeds but witch one is faster?

Remember that you are measuring sound, sound waves have speed that goes in all directions. The attenuation of sound at 20°C is around 3 decibels if you are 1 meter from were the sound is created. Just set a coin on the ground and swing over it towards the same direction. You are going to have just a few cm between each swing, so attenuation is not going to be a variable. Of course you are going to have different measures if you use different clubs! the idea is to use the same club and figure out how to swinging it faster to create more whoosh to get a higher decibel mark. For location of course is better at nights were is calmer and you don't have noise from the outside. I took the time to test it a little bit and the decibels went up and down as the PRGR also went up and down with the different swing speed I tested. What other things you think can mess with the readings?

Yesterday I installed a free decibel meter in my smartphone, put it on the floor and made swings with my 6 iron without a ball. Also set the PRGR (speed meter) to have something to compare. The PRGR was giving me numbers around 90 miles per hour, the decibel meter was around 30 without a swing and jumped to 85 with the woosh of the club. If the whoosh of the club gets louder when you swing it faster, can a decibel meter be used as a cheep way to compare speed from one swing to another, even be used for speed training?

I'm exactly in the same train as you. Short putting is the worst of my game, is all about starting line and mine is pretty bad. I have really good lagging so speed is not the issue. Work at your home with your putt and try to hit a coin from 3,6,9 feet. Over and over again. If that is not the issue, then you probably are miss reading putts and you need to start giving them more break. I also struggle with partial wedges, my scoring average from 50-75 is worst than 75-100 so I tend to lay up to the 100 mark if I don't reach the green.

Currently I changed to Callaway warbird, cheap and hard compression golf ball. For your desired compression I liked the Srixon Soft Feel, also cheap and a better feel off chips and putts. Also I use Noodle golf balls for practice purposes (sim and practice rounds), they are soft and are pretty decent for the low price.

True, at least here in Argentina Coke is Number 1 by far. Pepsi is always the one trying to compare themselves to Coke. Despite that, I love the commercial from 2001 were a little boy purchase 2 cans of coke from a spending machine in order to stand over them so he can reach the Pepsi button.

If you need to claim and try to convince people that you are the best ball in the market then you are probably not. ProV1 is never going to compare themselves to other brand.