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Here's my Stack and Tilt Swings...Definitely have alot of room for improvement

Front View 6 iron


Rear view 26* Nike CPR Hybrid


Front View 8 Iron shot

Whats in the Four 5?

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Tough tell a lot from one swing from one angle, but I'll point out a few things:

a) Contact sounded great and from what I could tell in the video, any bogey golfer would be happy with that impact position let alone what you have listed as your handicap. Great job.

b) You can't tell from this angle but it looks like you do a bit of what I still tend to do: roll the wrists to start and get the club a bit behind you. The fix? Your shoulders still turn pretty level, so if you can get the left shoulder going down more, the hand path will be better and the clubhead should stay outside of your hands a bit longer.

c) You could "stand up" a teeny bit more in the backswing. Watch your head position - it dips slightly. You'll see your head turn away too, but that's because of b. If you can get your head to stop dipping slightly your follow-through should be a bit cleaner too (arms extended longer, re-hinging of the club, etc.).

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b) You can't tell from this angle but it looks like you do a bit of what I still tend to do: roll the wrists to start and get the club a bit behind you. The fix? Your shoulders still turn pretty level, so if you can get the left shoulder going down more, the hand path will be better and the clubhead should stay outside of your hands a bit longer.

I just saw your 26 degree hybrid swing in another thread. Suffice to say I'm trying to emphasize B based on that video, which shows what I suspected it would.

There are some other things I can see in that view too that I suspected I would - things like your position at the top and how you come into the ball (still over the top), but for now, I'd work on B really hard and see where that gets you. B can help with the things I just listed, too.

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thanks bro...ill be sure to take vid once im out again

I havent really figured out the whole handicap scoring thing. The best score I had so far was 102 on a par 71. LOL

Whats in the Four 5?

Burner 10.5 Stiff
Burner 3W
CPR 22/26 HybridsG5 5-PW Black Dot +2 Vokey Sm OilCanSV Tour 60* Black FinishBarbadosPro-V1 recycled

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I'm certainly not qualified to offer advice on a golf swing, much less S&T;, but it looks like you're putting a lot of weight forward at address, maybe more than you should be?

Where are you getting your instruction? DVDs, youtube, golf digest, teacher, etc?

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I'm certainly not qualified to offer advice on a golf swing, much less S&T;, but it looks like you're putting a lot of weight forward at address, maybe more than you should be?

Putting weight on the front is what S&T; is about. Read the basics on S&T; and and you will see what its all about. IMO, it definitely helped me connect with more solid shots, penetrating low shots, and my accuracy has gotten alot better thats if I make solid contact with the ball. Ive got alot to work on, trust me

As for instructions, I purchased the Stack and Tilt Book and watched a few youtube vids here and there.

Whats in the Four 5?

Burner 10.5 Stiff
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CPR 22/26 HybridsG5 5-PW Black Dot +2 Vokey Sm OilCanSV Tour 60* Black FinishBarbadosPro-V1 recycled

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Putting weight on the front is what S&T; is about. ...

I know. But that much? Even Mike Bennett doesn't lean forward so much at address:

0:42 Just comparing your swing to what I have seen pros do it seems like you go much farther forward than is necessary.

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The swing looks good and Iacas gave you the right 'scrip.

I couldn't really tell the tilt to the shoulders on the backswing but when looking at your upper center, it moves back on the backswing showing that you'll need more side tilt to keep the centers stacked. This should help delay the hand action which rolls the clubhead too far inside on the backswing. Left shoulder down, right shoulder up, lean more left.

The loss of balance may be a poor use of the ground, so as your left knee flexes out over your foot and the right knee extends bringing the right hip higher... push into the ground a little more for some more 'pounce' into impact.
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Some nice work your building on. I have found that SnT is best worked on by taking it piece by piece. that being said on your dtl view i notice that your hands work away from your body. try to keep them in tighter but make sure the club head is either on the hands or a slight bit out if you were to look at a paused position when the club is parallel to the ground.

I have been doing this bit by bit and it seems to link the parts together better. Here is a quick vid of me working on the very same thing. notice how my hands keep the depth working more inside, but keeping the clubhead out.

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Some nice work your building on. I have found that SnT is best worked on by taking it piece by piece. that being said on your dtl view i notice that your hands work away from your body. try to keep them in tighter but make sure the club head is either on the hands or a slight bit out if you were to look at a paused position when the club is parallel to the ground.

Hey Ted, I think the bigger issue is the one I outlined above. Steeper shoulders will put the hands in more on their own.

Be careful, Ted... oftentimes when you're working on something in your own swing you tend to see it all the time in other people. Your shoulder turn (the angle) was better so for you it was about the hands... for the OP, here, the first order of business (IMO) is to get the shoulders working properly, which may fix the hands. (OP: Hope you don't mind, but I moved your old swings over here so we could see them all in one place.)

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Hey Ted, I think the bigger issue is the one I outlined above. Steeper shoulders will put the hands in more on their own.

Right you are Erik, The issue is with the shoulder turn, I really didn't look at the whole swing.

Hey then again.... I see SnT in EVERYTHING now
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as of today, I exaggerated keeping my hands inside more helping my left shoulder turn more. A bit uncomfortable, but what a difference in my game today. I maybe pulled, sliced and hooked from the tee box at least 5 times today. Most were still playable. Although im still not comfortable with my driver, my recent purchase of my TM Burner 3 wood was well worth the purchase. Along with my found pro-v1's, I blasted most of my shots more than 220 yards. Farther than my driver.

Also Iacas, I stopped most of the head bobbing and kept my head over the ball without bouncing around and also helped. Didnt have my vid cam, but next time I go out, i will take more vids.

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Burner 10.5 Stiff
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Here are some from yesterday...

Keep working on the steeper shoulder turn. Don't worry so much about the hands - the shoulder turn is a bigger thing that can help with the hands getting deeper.

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
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After taking some time and looking at the YT vid and porting it into V1 software. I can really see what Erik was talking about. The shoulder turn / tilt is not enough. If you look at the middle pic of Charlie here you can see his shoulder turn / tilt. Notice how if you were to draw a line from his left knee straight up it would hit the center of his chest, yours hits your left shoulder. This shows that the tilt and extension are not enough. Again agreeing with Erik, this would be the first step you would want to work on.

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Here are some from yesterday...

Going to be somewhat brief here as you have all given a few good points. Yes...the shoulder turn can be steeper so that is on point but the shoulder turn could be steeper for about 95% of the golfing population. That said the key thought here is to tilt the left shoulder down and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, keep pressure point #4 intact WAY better. PP #4 is where there left bicep meets the chest for a right handed player. This is pretty much immediately losing the pressure and that is where everything goes astray. So...keep PP #4 very tight and feel like is against your chest/upper part of stomach...when this pressure point starts to feel like it is going to "release" the backswing is done. Your thought: "Tilt with Tight Pressure 4". You will love the way this starts to look as you do this in a mirror and on video.

Second thing...get the left knee and belt buckle moving forward more (left knee outside left foot line and belt buckle to the left instep) and continuously...you actually "back up" through the hit which leaves you falling backwards. There are your two big pieces right now. Dave

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