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Has anyone used or compared these swing training aids?: Whippy Tempomaster; Momentus heavy driver and the Medicus driver. I bought the Whippy Tempomaster 3-wood, pitching wedge and putter and like the results so far. Has anybody used any of these products and made a real improvement in his/her game?
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My original post got no replies, but I am interested because each of these training aids tries to teach you to "swing" rather than "hit." Think the centrifugal force of a pendulum versus leverage. An example of the swinging motion is how a child is propelled on a playground swing. The kid slows down at the top, gravity takes over and the swing basically falls or drops with the kid moving fastest at the bottom. There is no quick or jerky actions if the kid on the swing is going to move fast.

It seems the Whippy Tempomaster, the Momentus heavy driver and the Medicus driver are all trying to promote the pendulum action. I bought the Whippy clubs and have success when I think of this image or think of keeping the bendable shaft from flexing. To hit the ball squarely, I have to be smoother at the start and at the top and I have to stay more centered over the ball. But this is all golf dome practice. I have not yet seen whether it will improve my play on the golf course.

Has anybody tried these swing aids and had any noticeable successes or failures?
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Momentus and Whippy.. but DEFINATELY not the Medicus. It teaches you an early forearm roll during the takeaway.

Equipment, Setup, Finish, Balance, and Relax. All equal in importance and all dependent on each other. They are the cornerstones of a good golf swing.

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Have you used the Whippy? The Whippy web site says that Vijay and Azinger both use them. I like how it feels. It definitely makes you slow down during the transition into the downswing but, due to Chicago weather, I can't measure whether it's really improving my swing.
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No on the Medicus. I have one of those - it was a waste. All it did was teach me was an abnormally slow takeaway. Momentus might be worth it, though.
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I agree about the Medicus, but am curious if anyone used and saw improvement. I have a Momentus 7-iron from about 10 years ago. I always thought of it as a golf conditioning tool, not necessarily a swing aid. But now there's a Momentus heavy driver you can hit balls with. So it would be interesting to hear if some has used it and seen improvement. Since I have the Whippy clubs, it would be interesting to hear if someone who has used them a lot thinks they actually improved his or her swing.
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I agree about the Medicus, but am curious if anyone used and saw improvement. I have a Momentus 7-iron from about 10 years ago. I always thought of it as a golf conditioning tool, not necessarily a swing aid. But now there's a Momentus heavy driver you can hit balls with. So it would be interesting to hear if some has used it and seen improvement. Since I have the Whippy clubs, it would be interesting to hear if someone who has used them a lot thinks they actually improved his or her swing.

I've actually hit range balls with the TempoMaster. Any time I feel my swing is getting too fast at the transition I take it to the range. I even have my wife using it to get the feel of tempo. She is a beginner and has liked it. I have not tried the Medicus or the Momentus Driver that you can hit balls with.

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I've found the Momentus to be helpful in feeling the swing plane and the entire swing. I have one of the shortie "indoor" models. I like to swing it inside during the winter (which is all I've been able to do the last few weeks).

I'm intrigued by the Whippy, though. There could be one in my future.

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I think the Whippy will be helpful and I don't think lessons aren't always the answer for me. Here's why. First, the Whippy. I have always liked Jim Flick and his concept about swinging the clubhead, although I never really tried it until this summer when I started blading tons of chips and short pitches. Death for your score. On a recent Golf Channel show, Flick had two top junior students (a guy named Phillip who is now at UCLA and the top girl from the AJGA) hitting Whippys to demonstrate his swing concepts. It was not an endorsement for the product. In fact, I don't think Flick ever mentioned the product by name. So it made it more credible to me and piqued my interest. Also, in one of his books, Harvey Penick wrote about hitting golf balls with a club made up of a grip and a metal chain for a shaft. Penick also wrote about feeling like you were swinging a bucket of water without spilling. Seems like the same swing concept to me.

Second, why I'm not sure lessons are always the answer. About five years ago, I got noticeably better going from about a 10 to a 6 after taking regular lessons at GolfTec for about 9 months. However, at GolfTec, we never got past working on my backswing plane. So, when I played my best, it was due more to staying in rhythm and getting up and down. In fact, on a 5-day golf trip I took, I shot about 90 the first day. After that, I abandoned all lesson thoughts, focused only on being in balance and scored in the high 70s or low 80s the rest of the trip. So I wonder whether playing more often had more to do with the improvement than the lessons. I have little kids now, play less and predictably my scores have gone up.
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I received the original momentus as a Christmas gift one year. There are definitely some good things about it.

The weight of the club is good for building up golf muscles, since it is working the actual muscles that you are using to swing.

In addition, the momentus drill they give you where you start the club head ahead of you and then let gravity help swing it back is a good drill.

But... that drill works well with any club, not just the medicus. In addition, an old club, a grip trainer, and some lead tape is a much cheaper alternative than spending $100 on the medicus. It is also easy to adjust the weight with the lead tape - just add or take off.

The momentus does have verifiable results though - I had a friend who made some of the funkiest moves you'll see in a golf swing, but when he swung the medicus, it looked somewhat like a golf swing. Whether this actually translates into your real swing, and how long that takes, is another story.

I personally like the lead tape idea myself.

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I have used most of the training aids including Medicus. I would save a lot of money and just stick with videos of the pros as provided by Cswing and others on disk. You can play them back in slo mo and freeze frame.

Also there are a lot of good lessons on youtube some of which are linked from this forum.

Here's a recent one of Ben Hogan

And another on the bottom of the swing

You can easily get a video of your swing and compare it to the pros.

Now why do we need to take expensive golf lessons ?
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I liked the Medicus when I was not as good a player, when I was around a 10-12. Now that I am better though it seems to hinder my swnig more than anything, like others said it forces a very slow take away and an early wrist "release" on the backswing.

I have used the power hitter sparingly and it has helped me become a moer accurate driver this past year imo.
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wolverine318:

How did the Momentus Power Hitter help you become more accurate -- by slowing down your tempo? Did you start to hit it any farther? I ask because I am seriously considering it on the theory that, if you can hit a ball solidly with an unusually heavy club, you should be able to swing a regular club well too.
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I think the Whippy will be helpful and I don't think lessons aren't always the answer for me. Here's why. First, the Whippy. I have always liked Jim Flick and his concept about swinging the clubhead, although I never really tried it until this summer when I started blading tons of chips and short pitches. Death for your score. On a recent Golf Channel show, Flick had two top junior students (a guy named Phillip who is now at UCLA and the top girl from the AJGA) hitting Whippys to demonstrate his swing concepts. It was not an endorsement for the product. In fact, I don't think Flick ever mentioned the product by name. So it made it more credible to me and piqued my interest. Also, in one of his books, Harvey Penick wrote about hitting golf balls with a club made up of a grip and a metal chain for a shaft. Penick also wrote about feeling like you were swinging a bucket of water without spilling. Seems like the same swing concept to me.

In reguards to your lessons with GolfTec, it's a common mistake for golf instructors. They focus way too much on the backswing. For the most part there is a belief that if you make the backswing perfect, then the forward swing will follow. So I'd say about 90% of the lessons I've witnessed focus on setup and backswing. It's really a travesty in the industry.

Equipment, Setup, Finish, Balance, and Relax. All equal in importance and all dependent on each other. They are the cornerstones of a good golf swing.

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Better temp, didnt notice any distance increase but I hit the ball pretty far anyways and have not used it that much. It definatley helped me get the driver comming down on the proper plane and release.

Looking at my stats I hit 50% of my fairways, I used the power hitter before 5 rounds for roughly 5-10 minutes and those days combined I hit 65% of my fairways. I actually kept track of the times I used it yes LOL.

Maybe this was coinsidense (sp) or not I dont know. I dont know I always hate to buy a traning aid I think they are kind of quick fixes most of the time. Luckily all the guys in my league by them and I get to try them out

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In reguards to your lessons with GolfTec, it's a common mistake for golf instructors. They focus way too much on the backswing. For the most part there is a belief that if you make the backswing perfect, then the forward swing will follow. So I'd say about 90% of the lessons I've witnessed focus on setup and backswing. It's really a travesty in the industry.

That has been my experience as well.

The downswing is too fast to see. So instructors focus on the backswing and setup. Many instructors are feel players so they never had to study the swing in pieces. Lessons can get to be anti-productive because of the artificial conditions, ie mats, perfect lies, etc. And how do lessons solve a problem where it takes 20-30 swings before my muscle memory comes back ? And I play every day !
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