Will Smith vs. Chris Rock

[iacas]

4 hours ago, boogielicious said:

Beg to differ. Everyone will get over it with all the really important things that are happening in the world right now.

Beg to differ back. Comedians will still be making jokes about this in 20 years.

It’s a massive moment in pop-culture history.

[dennyjones]

In Detroit, CR has added a second show with some tickets jumping from $40 to $700…!

[GolfLug]

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

Well the fact the spineless academy let him sit there and enjoy his evening and get a major award despite assaulting a presenter shows their teeth. 

In no way they could have been prepared for anything like this. It was so surreal, people are still trying to process it. I know I am. And it seems worse now than it did yesterday or day before. 

It's not over at all for them. I don't see how they have a choice.

[Vinsk]

53 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

In no way they could have been prepared for anything like this

Don’t be silly. Of course they are. 

[dennyjones]

Security ask him to leave and he refused.

[iacas]

8 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

Security ask him to leave and he refused.

Yeah:

Will Smith Refused to Leave When Academy Asked Him to Leave Oscars

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The Academy now claims they actually asked Will to beat it, but he apparently told them to kick rocks.

Smith could be kicked out of the Academy, suspended, etc.

[Vinsk]

51 minutes ago, iacas said:

Yeah:

Will Smith Refused to Leave When Academy Asked Him to Leave Oscars

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The Academy now claims they actually asked Will to beat it, but he apparently told them to kick rocks.

Smith could be kicked out of the Academy, suspended, etc.

Nah. Maybe a short suspension at most. He’ll give an all too familiar apology to the Academy, written, and they’ll announce how genuine it was and how WS is looking forward to growing and learning. 

[nvkevin]

I just can’t get over the fact that he wasn’t escorted off of the property.  If I would have slapped one of you guys like that at an awards ceremony, I’m pretty sure I would have have an unfriendly escort out the door.

[GolfLug]

2 hours ago, Vinsk said:

Don’t be silly. Of course they are. 

Like they have strongmen by the stage anticipate and watch nominees like hawks from making a wrong and tackle them if necessary?? Heh..heh. Yah I'm being silly. 

 

[Vinsk]

26 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

Like they have strongmen by the stage anticipate and watch nominees like hawks from making a wrong and tackle them if necessary?? Heh..heh. Yah I'm being silly. 

 

You mean like they’ve handled streakers? Protesters? This wasn’t a massive fire or a bombing. It was one man slapping another man on stage. You are being silly if you don’t think the friggin Oscars has no idea what to do with an unruly participant. The problem was they were too afraid of what backlash they would get had they tried to intervene. And that’s a shame we’ve come to that.

[GolfLug]

6 hours ago, Vinsk said:

You mean like they’ve handled streakers? Protesters? This wasn’t a massive fire or a bombing. It was one man slapping another man on stage. You are being silly if you don’t think the friggin Oscars has no idea what to do with an unruly participant. The problem was they were too afraid of what backlash they would get had they tried to intervene. And that’s a shame we’ve come to that.

Tell me exactly how could they have stopped CR from getting smacked. Unruly participants from the bleachers are not front row top Hollywood brass who are more like house guests with no real physical separation to the stage so don't give me BS examples.

Even if they had security by the stage, who could have predicted WS was approaching CR to lay hand on him? For all anyone could tell he got up there to congratulate CR for being the funniest comedian of the century. 

It just doesn't friggin happen. There is nothing they could have done to prevent this. They shouldn't have to. That's why they all sit at shared tables.

You know, people trust their guests to behave. That's why they are invited and seated at arms length. And if you are saying they should have thrown out WS after the fact, big whoop. Damage already done.

Edited March 31, 2022 by GolfLug

[Vinsk]

26 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

Tell me exactly how could they have stopped CR from getting smacked. Unruly participants from the bleachers are not front row top Hollywood brass who are more like house guests with no real physical separation to the stage so don't give me BS examples.

Even if they had security by the stage, who could have predicted WS was approaching CR to lay hand on him? For all anyone could tell he got up there to congratulate CR for being the funniest comedian of the century. 

It just doesn't friggin happen. There is nothing they could have done to prevent this. They shouldn't have to. That's why they all sit at shared tables.

You know, people trust their guests to behave. That's why they are invited and seated at arms length. And if you are saying they should have thrown out WS after the fact, big whoop. Damage already done.

I never said they could’ve or should’ve stopped it from happening. Not once. Just listen to yourself. You honestly think the best course of action was…to do nothing? Oh, they asked him to leave and he said no. Oh, oh, ok well we tried. Come on. And let’s not forget the big picture. It’s a f****** awards show. So there’s an interruption. Big f’in deal. Handle the situation. Erik is right in that it’s a big moment in pop culture. But do you think it’s a bigger issue than the war? Than Covid? Just stop. They botched the situation, which they’ve admitted to. How they did nothing is less of an issue than why.

[boogielicious]

8 hours ago, iacas said:

Yeah:

Will Smith Refused to Leave When Academy Asked Him to Leave Oscars

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The Academy now claims they actually asked Will to beat it, but he apparently told them to kick rocks.

Smith could be kicked out of the Academy, suspended, etc.

He can hang out with Mickelson.

[iacas]

27 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

But do you think it’s a bigger issue than the war? Than Covid?

@Vinsk, where is that even coming from?

They could have asked him to leave, and they did.

I take issue with the fact that he got a standing ovation, too, but that's on the entire audience, not the Academy themselves.

[GolfLug]

20 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

I never said they could’ve or should’ve stopped it from happening. Not once. Just listen to yourself. You honestly think the best course of action was…to do nothing? Oh, they asked him to leave and he said no. Oh, oh, ok well we tried. Come on. And let’s not forget the big picture. It’s a f****** awards show. So there’s an interruption. Big f’in deal. Handle the situation. Erik is right in that it’s a big moment in pop culture. But do you think it’s a bigger issue than the war? Than Covid? Just stop. They botched the situation, which they’ve admitted to. How they did nothing is less of an issue than why.

Do I think this is bigger than the war?? COVID?? Ha ha ha ..Grabbing at straws now.

They asked him to leave didn't they? Anything more and they risk putting themselves on the wrong side of racial history in that moment. The narrative would be completely different. Then 'The Slap' would become the secondary story. Yeah, no, they are too self serving and clever to make a martyr out of WS by voluntarily putting themselves firmly in the middle of the cross hair.

And now that the public jury has passed judgement on who the chump is, they will safely 'prosecute' WS with the public behind them.

They have teeth. They are more interested in a self serving narrative.

20 minutes ago, iacas said:

@Vinsk

I take issue with the fact that he got a standing ovation, too, but that's on the entire audience, not the Academy themselves.

That too..

[nvkevin]

42 minutes ago, iacas said:

@Vinsk

I take issue with the fact that he got a standing ovation, too, but that's on the entire audience, not the Academy themselves.

This.  This just goes to show how our society reacts when they don’t want to confront someone for their actions.  Most people would rather sit back and pretend it didn’t happen so that we can get on with the show and be a part of the “happy” pieces of the broadcast.  It doesn’t matter to them that he lashed out inappropriately, just so long as they are seen supporting his amazing 🙄award reception.

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, GolfLug said:

They asked him to leave didn't they? Anything more and they risk putting themselves on the wrong side of racial history in that moment.

This. Do you see the problem here. It’s ridiculous. WS assaulted another person on stage. Period. What if a total nobody ran to the stage and slapped Rock. Would nothing had been done? Of course not. The Academy clearly showed the privilege that exists amongst the elite. 

 

2 hours ago, iacas said:

where is that even coming from?

It’s a reminder this is a stupid awards show for the elite and rich. The Oscars could be canceled and it would be missed for about a week.

[iacas]

39 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

This. Do you see the problem here. It’s ridiculous. WS assaulted another person on stage. Period. What if a total nobody ran to the stage and slapped Rock. Would nothing had been done? Of course not. The Academy clearly showed the privilege that exists amongst the elite.

Ummm, of course there's a difference between a random seat-filler and someone who was up for an award later in the show.

Just as there are differences in almost any situation in life. If a kid hits me during a lesson in the middle of a tantrum, he's treated differently than if an adult throws a tantrum and hits me. Or if the hitting was accidental. Or depending on how hard he hit me.

What's your point? That Will Smith was treated differently? Well DUH. So again… what's your point?

39 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

It’s a reminder this is a stupid awards show for the elite and rich. The Oscars could be canceled and it would be missed for about a week.

Oy.

Kevin, man, take a breather.