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Counterfeits are a real problem. If your regular partner shows up with a brand new Tour Burner Driver for you regular play. While showing off his new driver, you cannot help notice that the lettering if off on the head and head cover as well at the color being off.

Would you tell your partner that he has a counterfeit?

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If it was someone that I knew well, of course I would. I would just tell him to make sure he has the receipt and that could talk to the store where he purchased it. If he then says, I already new it was, I would never hassle him again about it.

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Funny that this was brought up, my dad got an almost full set and bag of counterfiet taylormade r7's from china. There nowhere near the real thing but he isn't a strong nor common golfer so he didn't care, but still it wasn't worth $500 for it all..... he could of got something way better, but refused to take my advice. I left it alone and that's my dad not just any playing partner. So your best bet is not care at all or mention it once and then drop it.

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I'd tell him. My playing partner's a pretty cool kid, and he's probably my best friend. I'd just hassle him about it because he brags about EVERYTHING!!!

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I would just tell him "I think that might be a fake. You may to check it out with someone who knows for sure to find out."

That way he can do what he wants with the information and it is just in casual conversation.

I will judge my rounds much more by the quality of my best shots than the acceptability of my worse ones.


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I would just tell him "I

I would use the same approach... Let someone that is not as close break the really bad news... I do however, know that my buddy would want to know he had fakes. The fakes are starting to show up in stores too... I saw a Callaway X460 driver at a 'Play It Again Sports'(a used sporting goods store)... it didn't look right, and the magnet on my ball mark repair tool stuck right to it(it is suppose to be a Titanium Driver). I told the clerk about it and the kid just shrugged his shoulders and walked behind the counter. I shook my head and left.

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A guy I work with visited China several times over the past three years and brought home close to 10 sets of "Mizuno" and "Taylormade" clubs that I believe are probably counterfeits. My boss owns a set of these and is always talking about the great deal he got on his Mizunos. I just don't have the heart to tell him.

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I'd tell him/her, why not? It would be a shame for someone to have a fake tour burner, have it play like crap, and they unjustifiably lose faith in Taylor Made woods. It might ruin their day, but at least they'll know the truth. If I had a fake club, I'd want to know about it. Now if you're the type that'll rub salt in a wound, than you shouldn't bother.

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Yes I would, and I also did. I told him that there was a lot of counterfeit on the market (eBay) and that he should have them checked. The local store confirmed that they were authentic.

Nobody should have to buy counterfeit clubs for hundreds of $.

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