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I've been playing ben hogan bh-5's for a few years now and was thinking of getting a new set of irons. Im a decent ball striker but not great. The two things that I am looking for is forgiveness and distance. These are my main concerns but at the same time i dont want a big chunky looking club like Big Berthas. I dont care too much about workability but i do prefer a thin ish topline and sole. Im looking in the 400 or less price range. Right now Im looking at X-20's, TM R7's and Wilson Staff Ci7. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

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I just bought a set of the R7's.I have only played 4-times with them and I love them.A big improvement over my Ram Laser FX's.Although I liked my Ram's and played them for 18+years.The big thing I noticed is that I have increased about 2 clubs in distance and I really don't know why.

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Also worth looking at is the Mizuno irons MX-23 and MX-25. Both are great game improvement irons that are a few years old (and thus you can get them for a good price), but are more playable than most GI irons on the market. The MX-200 is also in that same vein, but because it's a newer model they are still a little pricier. If you haven't previously hit Mizuno irons you should just to experience the feel.
Driver: SQ DYMO STR8-Fit
4 Wood: SQ DYMO
2H (17*), 4H (23*) & 5H (26*): Fli-Hi CLK
Irons (5-6): MX-900; (7-PW): MP-60
Wedges (51/6*): MP-T Chrome; (56/13): MP-R ChromePutter: White Hot XG 2-Ball CSPreferred Ball: e5+/e7+/B330-RXGPS Unit: NEOPush Cart: 2.0

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I dont want to thread jack but I had the same question basically.

I've been playing the X-14 Pro Series irons(basically the same as the bh5) for a couple of years and wanted to try a forged blade style like a Mizuno iron and didnt know where to start. Should I also be looking at the MP's?

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3H/20* Baffler DWS
X-14 Pro Series 4-PW
56* 588 DSG Gunmetal


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Also worth looking at is the Mizuno irons MX-23 and MX-25. Both are great game improvement irons that are a few years old (and thus you can get them for a good price), but are more playable than most GI irons on the market. The MX-200 is also in that same vein, but because it's a newer model they are still a little pricier. If you haven't previously hit Mizuno irons you should just to experience the feel.

The mx-23s are great irons I still have my set. I used them up until 3 years ago as 5 handicap. The are workable but the only downside they are not quite as forgiving as other game improvement iron. I've heard good things about the ci6s and ci7s.
Driver: i15, 3 wood: G10, Hybrid: Nickent 4dx, Irons: Ping s57, Wedges: Mizuno MPT 52, 56, 60, Putter: XG #9 

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I have the MP-57s and they are great, very consistent when you put a good move on the ball. They definitely let you know when you are striking the ball well. The mishits lose some distance but I think that is the way it should be.

The MP-57s seem to be a good balance of players iron and GI iron.

Also they are beautiful, in my opinion.

Good Luck

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Driver R9 Super-Tri
3 Hybrid A3 Boxer 19 degree
4 Hybrid A3 Boxer 22 degree
Irons 4-PW MP-57 ProjectX 6.0GW: 52 degreeWedges: 56, 60 degreePutter Backstryke 2-BallBall TP Black


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I have the MP-57s and they are great, very consistent when you put a good move on the ball. They definitely let you know when you are striking the ball well. The mishits lose some distance but I think that is the way it should be.

Within the Mizuno MP line, the MP-52's are even a little more forgiving than the MP-57's.

Driver: SQ DYMO STR8-Fit
4 Wood: SQ DYMO
2H (17*), 4H (23*) & 5H (26*): Fli-Hi CLK
Irons (5-6): MX-900; (7-PW): MP-60
Wedges (51/6*): MP-T Chrome; (56/13): MP-R ChromePutter: White Hot XG 2-Ball CSPreferred Ball: e5+/e7+/B330-RXGPS Unit: NEOPush Cart: 2.0

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I know I'm in the minority on this but I do not see the mp 57s as any type of game improvement iron. I'm not saying don't get them but be prepared to have your mishits be more pronounced.
Driver: i15, 3 wood: G10, Hybrid: Nickent 4dx, Irons: Ping s57, Wedges: Mizuno MPT 52, 56, 60, Putter: XG #9 

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I'm also looking to buy irons, probably later this year. Do the r7's have a somwhat thin topline? I'm not very fond of chunky looking Irons, I like the more streamlined look.

In my White/Red/Yellow Monza Featherweight Stand Bag:
Driver: 07 Burner 9.5* stiff
3 Wood: 07 Burner 15* stiff
5 Wood: 07 Burner 18* stiff
Irons 4-AW: r7 steel shaft stiffWedges: RAC Satin 56*, 60*Putter: Rossa Daytona 35 InchBall: Bridgestone e7+, Titleist Pro V1Shoes: D3000Glove: ...


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