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I am at a complete loss. I have the strangest feeling that I've never had before. I don't "know" how to swing. I can't focus, think or find the desire to "care" once I hit the range. I'm obsessed with it while I'm away but when I get to the range and hit the first few bad shots my mind goes directly to "screw it, I'm jacked up".

I'm stuck between a couple of thoughts, commit to stack and tilt and give it an honest effort or go the traditional instructor route. I feel like this is the most complicated life issue I've ever faced. Maybe I need some sort of golf obsessive compulsive medication.

It all started a little over a week ago after putting up an 82 on the second full round of the season. I played well from tee to green, missed some putts but hit shots crisply. Went to the range a day or two later and felt like I've never played before. I have no mindset to play. I know this has to have happened to others before. In my mind I'm mixing in 10 different swings. I shouldn't even think there are 10 swings to choose from.

I need to stop, reset and get to a good place. Problem is I don't know how to stop. Tomorrow I'll be back to thinking I need to go to the range and practice. Its a vicious cycle.

If you've ever been where I am, what did you do to get back on the right track? I really feel the need to have an instructor start me from the beginning but I'm stuck on the cost and the urge to give S & T a chance.

Could video analysis be enough to get me out of this insanity? If so, I'll have video up by 3 p.m. tomorrow...

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Sorry, had to do it.

Anyway, any help is appreciated.
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I think alot of people feel this way in the spring, it takes a while to get the rhythm back unless you're lucky enough to play all winter.

I had the same feeling a few weeks ago and now I'm fine. Hang in there, it'll pass.

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I think I need to commit to some video and get a handle on where I am. I guess if you have no feeling of where you are and what you are to do, seeing it and letting others see it would be a better starting place than just b*tching about it.
What's in the bag...

Driver --- G15 9* Aldila Serrano
3 Wood - Sumo2 15* Aldila NV
5 Wood - Versus 19* Mitsubishi Bassara 83Irons ---- X-Forged 4 - PWWedges - Vokey S.M. 52.08, 56.08 & 60.08Putter --- Futura PhantomBall ------ Tour i(s)

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It is the strangest feeling in the world, I agree. When it happens mid-round it is not only embarrassing but also puts me in a panic state. I wish had an answer for you. I just battled the same exact thing yesterday during a round. I felt like I forgot how to swing my irons until I hit a nice pitching wedge on a par 3. Gave me some confidence. Then I hit the range after the round and figured out that I was trying to hit the ball instead of swinging through.

Sometimes I fire up some videos I have saved of a few swings, very basic stuff. This gets me back to thinking about basics.

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I am at a complete loss. I have the strangest feeling that I've never had before. I don't "know" how to swing. I can't focus, think or find the desire to "care" once I hit the range. I'm obsessed with it while I'm away but when I get to the range and hit the first few bad shots my mind goes directly to "screw it, I'm jacked up".

It's easy to lose a feel for your swing when you've got tunnel vision and you are focusing on a few independent swing thoughts. I've been down that road too, standing over the ball and feeling totally lost.

I'd step back purge your noggin of all the swing thought junk in there for now. Try swinging the club by the head (swinging grip) to regain a sense of timing and rhythm, and hit a small bucker focusing on just making solid contact. From there, post a video and perhaps you'll pick up a few good tips to work on. Hopefully you won't be overwhelmed with a bunch of bogus tips!

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See a pro or post a video. Just asking for tips might make it worse, I've definitely gone tip hunting and ruined my swing when I should have just gotten a lesson instead.

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