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Disagree all you want, that doesnt mean youre right.

Sounds like you were a star on the debate team...


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I guess it comes to what looks comfortable to you when you stand over the ball.

I have a vokey, but I don't think you could go wrong with a CG or a vokey. Both great wedges.

Driver: Burner
Hybrid: Burner Rescue 3 19*
Irons: FP II 4-GW
Wedge: 56*
Putter: White Hot XG Rossie


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If you like a heavy wedge then Volkeys or Niki VR are great wedges.

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If you like a heavy wedge then Volkeys or Niki VR are great wedges.

VR Wedges are NOT heavy at light

they are super light granted this could be due to the shaft, but I know compared to my Callys, they are paperweights
"My swing is homemade - but I have perfect flaws!" - Me

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In my opinion you can't go wrong with Vokeys. They are the only wedge I will play. But wedges, like putters, are so personal. You have to get what feels best off the club face, has the right balance for your swing and is pleasing to the eye at address.

Those three things are very different for everybody.

If those three things for you happen to be in a $60 set of Ram wedges, get those. If it’s in the $110 per club Vokey wedge, get that. Personally, I think wedges and putters are the most important clubs in the bag. So get whatever is best to you, regardless of price. Depending on your budget, of course. I just mean…if there is anything to splurge on, wedges should be it.

What I Play:

Driver: R9 460
4 Wood: G15

Hy: Callaway FT 3Hy

Irons: AP1 4-PW

Wedges: Vokey 52* & 60*, Mizuno MP-T 10 58*

Putter: Newport Studio Select 2.7

Ball: Nike One Vapor


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Thanks for all the advise !

My local dealer lent me his personal CG-15 56/14 and Vokey 60/07 to try on the course ...... I really liked the looks of the Vokey, but the CG-15 played like hell ...... so I went for the CG-15's.

Cal Razr Hawk 10.5 | TM Superfast 3W | Adams Idea Pro Black 20 | MP-68 3-PW | TW9 50/06 + 58/12 | Ram Zebra Putter


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I bought a Vokey BH-11 a few weeks back. I wish I would have kept my Ping Tour now. I dont seem to have as good a feel with this SW.

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I cannot comment on most premium wedges out there, but my 60.04 vokey spins more than anything i've ever experienced around the green. One of my main courses is relatively dry and fast, and i am able to stop the ball dead in the 15-30 yd range. Being able to be very aggressive even when short sided or with tight pins has help my game dramatically improved by scrambling abilities. If there is anywhere around your home town where you can demo one, i would strongly recommend trying one out.

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Wedges are more personal than drivers and almost as personal as putters.

Who cares what other people like?

Give me a round or two and I could "love" any forged wedge and most cast ones. It's a matter of spending a lot of quality time at the practice area getting used to it.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


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VR Wedges are NOT heavy at light

I haven't found that to be true. I spine all of my shafts and all of my shafts are after market shafts. During this process I also weigh all of my club heads and record there wt's. The Niki VR wedges, which for me are a 54* and 60* both weighed more than my Edilon or Cleveland wedges. However the bottom line is, find a wedge you like and practice with it/them alot.

LOL, apparently Niki cuts some weight out when shipping to Canada

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I haven't found that to be true. I spine all of my shafts and all of my shafts are after market shafts. During this process I also weigh all of my club heads and record there wt's. The Niki VR wedges, which for me are a 54* and 60* both weighed more than my Edilon or Cleveland wedges. However the bottom line is, find a wedge you like and practice with it/them alot.

He's likely talking about swingweight.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


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I've been playing the Taylormade RAC tp wedges for over 5 years now, and I swear by them. Switched from Vokey's and probably won't go back, but I am in full agreement with those who say it's all about personal preference... Swing all the brands that have good ratings on any site, and find out which ones suit your swing style the best.

WITB;

R9 9.5* TP Driver
906f2 15* 3 Wood
585h 21* Hybrid j33 Irons RAC tp 52*/56* Wedges Newport 1.5 e6 Ball


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I have played 2 cleveland RTG wedges and a vokey for a long time. Recently i bought the MIzunos ( http://thesandtrap.com/clubs/mizuno_..._wedges_review ) and i have to say that they are awesome. They really are. I would definitely give them a good look. They spin well and I can stop them on a dime. I really like the weight of the head. Seems a bit heavier than the RTG's and I like it. I feel like I can feel the head position throughout the swing. I dont think you can go wrong if you stick with the better brands. Good Luck.
Driver: Cobra ZL 3 Wood: Cleveland Launcher War Club: Burner Titanium Raylor 21degree Hybrid: Bobby Jones 24 4-PW: Ping i3's Wedges:Mizuno MP T-10 White Satin 52, 56, 60 Putter: 15 year old Odyssey Rossi Blade. Ball: Bridgestone e5 Swing Oil: Grey Goose, always in the bag.

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He's likely talking about swingweight.

You are probably right. Thank you

I was curious when I went home so I pulled up the infor and the wt's of my VR's are: 54*--306 grms 60*--311 grms

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