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So today I had a 48* Vokey wedge bent to 46* so I could replace my set's Pitching Wedge.

The AP1 pitching wedge is listed as 45* and 6* bounce.

My Vokey is now at 46* and 4* bounce.

Do you think this low 4* bounce is going to be ok for a pitching wedge?

I figure most of my pitching wedge use is 90-110 yard shots from the fairway, sometimes light rough, and for chipping around the fringe. So I think it might be ok. Thoughts?

What I Play:

Driver: R9 460
4 Wood: G15

Hy: Callaway FT 3Hy

Irons: AP1 4-PW

Wedges: Vokey 52* & 60*, Mizuno MP-T 10 58*

Putter: Newport Studio Select 2.7

Ball: Nike One Vapor


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i highly doubt the vast majority of people could tell the difference of two degrees of bounce, so no, i would think your in the clear.

Some things to keep in mind,

The difference in desighn between the vokey and ap1 are pretty big. the vokey is in essence a blade, whereas the ap1 is a hefty cavity back with weight low and to the back, so just because the two clubs are the same loft doesnt mean they will go the same distance, so dont be suprised if your vokey comes up a little shorter than your ap1 did.

however, nice choice on dropping the PW, i have been looking to replace mine for quite some time now

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i highly doubt the vast majority of people could tell the difference of two degrees of bounce, so no, i would think your in the clear.

Somewhat the opposite. Blades go farther with the same loft, not the other way around. That's why sets of blades have weaker lofts.


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Somewhat the opposite. Blades go farther with the same loft, not the other way around. That's why sets of blades have weaker lofts.

Depends..... Blades will send the ball out lower, so if the person can't get the ball in the air real easy then they will lose distance. But if they do have a high launch, then the ball will go futher.

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Somewhat the opposite. Blades go farther with the same loft, not the other way around. That's why sets of blades have weaker lofts.

On what do you base this information? Lofts are based on what the manufacturer wants to make them. And I can assure you that "blade" (inverted commas because it is an over-used and often incorrect term) clubs are not scaled back to make them comparable in length to GI clubs. It's more a case of a lot of GI clubs having stronger lofts to make stupid consumers think they are hitting the ball further, when really, someone's 6 iron is the same a s someone else's 5 iron.

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Somewhat the opposite. Blades go farther with the same loft, not the other way around. That's why sets of blades have weaker lofts.

here is my perspective, blades were the old clubs, so they have older lofts, and lets be real here, most new blades have PW at 47.

when you start moving weight lower, you hit hte ball higher, so in order to keep the ball from just going up, you decrease loft to move the ball outward, while still being high. i can safely say i have played ALOT of sets of irons over the years, i have never had a set of blades that my stock shot went farther than a cavity back with the same shaft and same loft. AKA my Mizzy MP32 pw goes right on 143, my R7tp with the same loft/shaft went more like 150 with the same swing. Maybe thats just me, but hey, good luck with the new wedge, if you decide your not a fan of it, shoot me a pm!

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here is my perspective, blades were the old clubs, so they have older lofts, and lets be real here, most new blades have PW at 47.

47° is fairly weak for a PW anymore. 45-46° is more common for GI cavity backs. Some clubs, like the Wilson Di9s, are even worse. They have a 42° PW.

On what do you base this information? Lofts are based on what the manufacturer wants to make them. And I can assure you that "blade" (inverted commas because it is an over-used and often incorrect term) clubs are not scaled back to make them comparable in length to GI clubs. It's more a case of a lot of GI clubs having stronger lofts to make stupid consumers think they are hitting the ball further, when really, someone's 6 iron is the same a s someone else's 5 iron.

Generally speaking, cavity back clubs hit the ball higher. When Ping made the first cavity back clubs, they had to deloft them a bit to make them comparable to the irons of the day. Today, if you look at a manufacturer's lofts, the blades are usually weaker than the cavities. Nike Victory red, for example, are 47° PW for the blade, and 45° PW for the full cavity. Mizuno's MP series PWs are 47°. Their MX-100, 200, and 300's PW is 45°, and their MX-1000's PW is 44°.


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As Shanks said... When Ping made the first cavity back clubs, they had to deloft them a bit to make them comparable to the irons of the day.

That's because the cavity back popped the ball up in the air more; slight deloft helped prevent distance loss. Then, the marketing guys went crazy and started the chronic delofting ... 6i becomes 5i in loft. You know the rest!

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That's because the cavity back popped the ball up in the air more; slight deloft helped prevent distance loss. Then, the marketing guys went crazy and started the chronic delofting ... 6i becomes 5i in loft. You know the rest!

yes, and now they've strenthened the lofts so much we don't need the 3 iron anymore, and in some cases the 4 iron. This also allows them to sell more wedges, instead of just needing a 56, now the have us convinced we need 48, 52, 56, 60 and maybe even a 64... give me a break. 14 clubs is 14 clubs, they just have different numbers on them these days...

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Well.... I'm glad I could start a debate. Sorry. That wasn't my intent. Thanks for the first couple of responses. They were helpful. I love the feel of my Vokey wedges (and quite frankly, hit them more consistantly than any of my other clubs) so the thought of changing out one of my "regular" clubs to add another Vokey was very appealing to me. Glad to hear the bounce angle should be a problem. I'm sure I'll learn soon enough if there is any distance difference and will adjust accordingly.

What I Play:

Driver: R9 460
4 Wood: G15

Hy: Callaway FT 3Hy

Irons: AP1 4-PW

Wedges: Vokey 52* & 60*, Mizuno MP-T 10 58*

Putter: Newport Studio Select 2.7

Ball: Nike One Vapor


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