Couple statistical question

[k14]

You most certainly are entitled to your opinion and by all means, play the game like you want to play it. I was just trying to help you see the logic behind the statistic.

No I have always known that on tour the stats are calculated only when a stroke is made on the green. Sometimes for our weekly mens competition we will have a side competiton with putting, again only shots on the green are counted.

I have always had a debate with myself on whether to count the off green putts or not. I feel like I am short changing myself when I don't count all "putts" on and off the green. In the end I never converse with anyone regarding my putting stats, all I compare it to is my historic statistiscs. Lately I have gone out 0.2 (putts per hole) cause I have been working on my long game so much. After having this conversation though I can see the merit in going to the standard method, as I get better and better I will become more focussed on GIR's and fairways etc. At the moment they are pretty meaningless because they are so miniscule.

[iacas]

We are all entitled to take our own slant on things and this is mine, not forcing you to do the same.

We are, but in choosing to define things differently you sacrifice the right or privilege to compare your stats to others or to really even talk about the topic. There's an accepted standard, you're defying it, and that's that. No?

[Fourputt]

No I am certainly playing the right game,

So it only counts as a putt if you are going for the hole??? Now we have a different definition from your first post which stated that it only counts if you use the putter. I've used my putter to get out from under a tree from more than 150 yards out... I used the putter and hit toward the hole, although with no chance of even getting halfway there, but I guess that isn't a putt by your standards. But if I do the same thing from 10 yards off the green and hit the ball hard enough to reach the hole, and in the right general direction, then it IS a putt???? There's too much judgment and justification in your definition for me. I like the way the rest of the world defines it. If the ball touches the green, it's a putt... if not then it isn't. Black and white. It's impossible for me to give myself a 2 putt par when I missed the green. It has to be something else.

If I use the putter I also don't call it a chip, because it isn't. I call a putt from the fringe a fringe putt. It isn't a chip, but it also isn't statistically a putt either.

[k14]

So it only counts as a putt if you are going for the hole??? Now we have a different definition from your first post which stated that it only counts if you use the putter. I've used my putter to get out from under a tree from more than 150 yards out... I used the putter and hit toward the hole, although with no chance of even getting halfway there, but I guess that isn't a putt by your standards. But if I do the same thing from 10 yards off the green and hit the ball hard enough to reach the hole, and in the right general direction, then it IS a putt????

Well thats just being stupid, the player always knows when a stroke is genuinely going for the hole (as I said, I regularly even remove the pin) and I count it as I see fit. I am not interested with comparing stats with other people, all that is is a pissing contest. I keep it for my own sake to track how my putting game is going. I believe by counting the fringe putts it better represents my putting ability. If I have a 3 putt then it shows my first putt from the fringe wasn't good enough and pushes up the stats accordingly. If you want to count it differently then be my guest :)

[WUTiger]

Along with standard stats, I've started keeping my own personal one called fringies. If the ball ends up on the fringe rather than a true GIR, I note that also.

Has a recent round where I hit my solid irons about a half club long, and ended up on the back fringe. My not-so-good approaches ended up short left or right, and one shot landed 3 yds. onto the green and spun back to the fringe. I ended up with seven fringies on the day.

I would suggest that small greens and/or strong cross winds tend to increase fringies .