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I recently sold my MP-52s and went back to my MX-23s, I still need a GI type iron. My only issue with the 23s is that it seems that the increased offset contributes to me missing further left. It was immediately apparent after I switched that although overall I hit the ball better, my misses were now all to the left.

So, with that said, any GI type irons that have minimal offset? I'm looking for something with forgiveness and size along the lines of the mx-23s. I prefer to buy used, I was starting the list with R7s as I didn't recall them having a huge amount of offset. Maybe R7 TPs, not sure about i10s.

Driver: i15 8* UST Axivcore Red 69S
3w: CB1 15* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum 75s
5w: G10 18.5* UST V2 HL
3h: HiFli CLK 20* UST V2 Hybrid
4h: 3DX 23* UST V2 Hybrid5i-pw: MX-23 TT Dynalite Gold S300GW/SW: RAC 52*and 56*Putter: SabertoothBag: KingPin


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Guess my memory isn't so good, R7s have more offset then the 23s.

Driver: i15 8* UST Axivcore Red 69S
3w: CB1 15* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum 75s
5w: G10 18.5* UST V2 HL
3h: HiFli CLK 20* UST V2 Hybrid
4h: 3DX 23* UST V2 Hybrid5i-pw: MX-23 TT Dynalite Gold S300GW/SW: RAC 52*and 56*Putter: SabertoothBag: KingPin


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I don't think offset really contributes much to hitting it left, but I don't like it either. The r7 tps's may be just what you're looking for...I've never hit them, but I don't remember them having much offset and they look pretty nice at address. IIRC the Callaway x-20 tour also have little offset, but they have a chunky top line. I played the i10's for a little while, but sold them because they have more offset than I like.
Callaway FT-9 Tour I-mix 9.5° Driver (Fujikura Zcom Pro 65 stiff)
Mizuno F-50 15° 3w (Exsar FS2 stiff)
Bridgestone J36 19° Hybrid (Aldila VS Proto 80 stiff)
Adams Idea Pro 23° Hybrid (Aldila VS Proto 80 stiff)
Adams Idea Pro Forged 5-pw Irons (DG Black Gold stiff)Nike SV Tour Black Satin...

Posted
Doing some research now:
Offset for 3 and 9 iron respectively
Mx23 .240/.150
Mp52 .142/.114
R7 .255/.177
R7 TP .173/.082
i10 .19/.07

Driver: i15 8* UST Axivcore Red 69S
3w: CB1 15* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum 75s
5w: G10 18.5* UST V2 HL
3h: HiFli CLK 20* UST V2 Hybrid
4h: 3DX 23* UST V2 Hybrid5i-pw: MX-23 TT Dynalite Gold S300GW/SW: RAC 52*and 56*Putter: SabertoothBag: KingPin


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My older titleist 755's are very forgiving and have a nice profile. Offset on the 3I is 0.160" and 0.100 on the 9I. I moved from 04' berthas to these this spring as I could not get over the offset of the ultra GI irons. I always found myself staring at the damn hosel all the time at address. http://www.titleist.com/historical_c...ails.asp?id=97

Posted
Check out the Cobra S2 Forged.... they are cavity back with not a lot of offset... Nice Forged Feel too. I bought mine back in April and love em.

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don't know if you've already pulled the trigger on something, but GI's without much offset have been my quest for a while.

I really love the Callaway X20 Tours, which i'm playing now. Very little offset, yet still forgiving, i.e. cavity-back, slightly wider sole.

Before those, i had stumbled upon the Yonex Cyberstar C280's based on some random review if you can find them (likely dirt cheap); I really liked them, but the stock uniflex shafts were to whippy to me, and of course instead of reshafting them i just splurged on new irons. The Yonex's probably border between GI and SGI, although they didn't have much offset. Clubheads a touch oversized (which probably made them more forgiving, although a little less "workable"), but they really still felt nice (maybe it was the composite material in the cavity).

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Fairway Woods: Adams Speedline LP (3 & 5)
Hybrids: Wilson Staff Fybrids 21*, 24*, UST V2 stiff
Irons: Callaway X-20 Tour, 5-PW, Rifle Project-X (flighted) 6.0
Wedges: Cleveland CG15 DSG 52* & 58* +/- 56* Niblick

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Callway X18, X20 and X22 Tours are an option. What about the Diablo Forged irons? I would consider them as a GI iron. Mizuno MX 300 or 200s? Ping I15s are a little more forgiving than the I10 which I find to be a horrible club (unfortunately I owe one). Cleveland CG7 Tours? TaylorMade R9s? I heard from a friend they have little offset. These are just a few ideas..

  • 1 year later...
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I have the same feelings you do about offset clubs creating more misses to the left AKA hooks or duck hooks. I have always hit a draw and have found the new Game improvement technology to favor the guys who hit slices. I doubt I I have hit 10 slices in my ten+ years of golfing. (with the exception of "THE SHANKS". I would strongly suggest you trying the Tour Edge XCG-3 or XCG-4  irons. I just bought a set of XCG-3's new for cheap money. Best irons I have hit. Check out my posts on this subject.


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-NICKENT-PRO-IRON-SET-3-PW-/220921307765?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash;=item336fefa275

Here is great set of irons that would fill what you are looking for. The only drawback might be is they have graphite shafts..If you find a set of Nickent 4DX Tour they are also a great iron!

Wishon  715 CLC-AXE5 A shaft -hard steppedt -44.5"
4 wood-Infiniti 17*-UST IROD A shaft-Hard stepped(2009 model)
Hybrids 19* & 24*-Trident DSW-UST IROD Hybrid A shaft-hard stepped (2009 model)
Irons-5-PW- Wilson Staff Progressive Forged-TT Release  sensicore( 5&6-Soft stepped R-7,8&9-R-wedge hard stepped R
Wedges-52*-Wilson JP BeCE(54* bent to 52*)-TT-Release sensicore-hard stepped R

              56*Wilson R-61 BECU Sandy Andy- Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

               60* Wilson Harmonized BECU-Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

Woods- Star Grips  Irons Energy Grips

:Putter-Rife IBF with Ping Blackout Grip-35"

Ball-Wilson Staff Zip Golf. or C-25


Posted

I just got the JPX 800 Pro's (forged)..identical to the MX-25's (at least to me) and less offset and 1 degree stronger loft.


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I don't think offset really contributes much to hitting it left, but I don't like it either. ..  IIRC the Callaway x-20 tour also have little offset, but they have a chunky top line. ...


If OP wants GI irons, thin toplines may be hard to find.

Offset, other specs for X20 Tour irons
Iron Loft Bounce Offset
3 21 º 1.5 º 0.145 "
6 30 º 3.0 º 0.105 "
9 42 º 6.0 º 0.080 "

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I was thinking the Callaway Diablo Forged or PING i15s.

Current Gear Setup: Driver: TM R9 460, 9.5, Stiff - 3W: TM R9, 15, stiff - Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Black, 18, stiff - Irons: Callaway X Forged 09, 3-PW, PX 5.5 - SW: Callaway X Series Jaws, 54.14 - LW: Callaway X Series Jaws, 60.12 - Putter: PING Redwood Anser, 33in.


Posted

My Adams A4 forged have lower offset than most GI irons.  Maltby rates them as GI and I find them easy to launch.  They have a fairly low center of gravity that's not too close to the hosel, so in that respect they're GI.  However they don't have a very wide sole so it depends on what GI features your really looking for.

I believe the Adams A4 forged and the A4R are the same specs except that the A4R is a cast head.  The A4R's are really low priced right now and I'll bet they play just fine.


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I started playing golf in 1962 when we never heard of any such thing as "game improvement".

All the clubs I remember from those days had very little offset until Ping came on line. Now I see

offset on almost all "GI" irons. Since I learned with minimum offset irons, large offset plays tricks

with my brain.

I like GI irons, but not the large offset. I have found a set which satisfies both! It is very cheap in

comparison to Ping, Callaway & Taylormade. Yet it works great for me. It has very small offset irons.

Tour Edge Bazooka QLS irons retail for $149 with steel shafts, $169 with graphites.


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