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This is a question for folks who swing R flex irons. Do you ever get your wedges in anything other than stock wedge flex?

In my Sasquatch stand bag
Driver: G5 10.5*
Fairway wood: R9 4 wood
Irons: R7 3-PW OR Firesole 3-PW
Wedges: VR 52-10 56-14 & 260-4Putter: TraceyShoe: Powerband 3.0


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My irons (5-sw) are all reg. flex however my 64* wedge is wedge flex. Now my golf shop tells me that wedge flex is kinda halfway between stiff and regular. Since I needed a 58 or 60* club I talked to ping and found out that their answer to wedge flex is to "step down" a stiff flex. Apparently they cut the shaft at different points to create this middle flex and I hope that their right because I just received my new Ping Tour 58*. I'll try it out this afternoon at the range.

David


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This is a question for folks who swing R flex irons. Do you ever get your wedges in anything other than stock wedge flex?

It really depends on how agressive you are with your wedge swing? Since raw power is not really the goal with a wedge most companies, I have read, soften the flex in the wedges a bit because it is believed to help with feel and tempo, unless you frequently try to bust wedges your maximum distance or have an unusual swing tempo I wouldn't be concerned.

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My current wedges are in R300, same as my irons. I have a 52° waiting to join my next set of irons, and that's in S400. How well that works remains to be seen (the next set of irons' flex will be in the S300 range).

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Driver:  Titleist 915D2.  4-wood:  Titleist 917F2.  Titleist TS2 19 degree hybrid.  Another hybrid in here too.  Irons 5-U, Ping G400.  Wedges negotiable (currently 54 degree Cleveland, 58 degree Titleist) Edel putter. 

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Wedge flex is somwhere between regular and stiff but closer to a stiff. As an example, a few companies use DG S200 shafts for their "Wedge Flex". You should be fine with a wedge flex even if you swing R irons. I've heard that wedge shafts should be a tad softer than iron shafts to allow for a little more spin but I could be wrong. An S200 is not stiff at all to swing and swinging smoother has actually helped my game with wedges, I'm sure you'll have no problems.

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We have had some lengthy discussions of "wedge flex" here on ST:
http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...-vs-Stiff-Flex

In most cases, the wedge flex is an S300 shaft: It's Stiff, but because the wedge shaft is very short, most people who swing Regular in their irons can handle it OK.

Spinner flex - a softer shaft for persons who mainly hit partial wedges - is also an option.

In terms of stock wedge flex , the stock wedges in a set of irons... X20s or G10s for example... contain the same shaft as the numbered irons. If you go into specialty wedges, X-Forged or CG14s, these normally come with the S300 tagged as wedge flex , unless you custom order.

Note: Most companies use S300 as wedge flex. Nike, however, uses tagged S400 shafts (a bit heavier weight) in some of their specialty wedges.

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I notice my 52* VR is a S400. I only ask because I have been considering going to a regular flex but I didn't know if I would need to reshaft my wedges as well.

In my Sasquatch stand bag
Driver: G5 10.5*
Fairway wood: R9 4 wood
Irons: R7 3-PW OR Firesole 3-PW
Wedges: VR 52-10 56-14 & 260-4Putter: TraceyShoe: Powerband 3.0


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I notice my 52* VR is a S400. I only ask because I have been considering going to a regular flex but I didn't know if I would need to reshaft my wedges as well.

A clubfitter explained that the VR had a little lighter swingweight than some wedges, and the S400 helped compensate by making the overall club a touch heavier.

If your wedges are "working OK," you might leave them as is for awhile. Again, the wedge shafts are short, and easier to handle in stiff than say a 5-iron.

Focus, connect and follow through!

  • Completed KBS Education Seminar (online, 2015)
  • GolfWorks Clubmaking AcademyFitting, Assembly & Repair School (2012)

Driver:  :touredge: EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  :callaway: Rogue 4W + 7W
Hybrid:  :callaway: Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  :callaway: Mavrik MAX 5i-PW
Wedges:  :callaway: MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter:image.png.b6c3447dddf0df25e482bf21abf775ae.pngInertial NM SL-583F, 34"  
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Great. I hit my wedges pretty solid so I will probably stick with them. I am going to go soon and get fitted for shafts. I am betting that I need regular in my driver at least. Maybe stiff high launch in my irons or maybe regulars. Thanks for the input guys.

In my Sasquatch stand bag
Driver: G5 10.5*
Fairway wood: R9 4 wood
Irons: R7 3-PW OR Firesole 3-PW
Wedges: VR 52-10 56-14 & 260-4Putter: TraceyShoe: Powerband 3.0


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As someone who generally uses R flex shafts, and relatively lightweight shafts (60-65g range in driver, and 100-105g range in irons), I never quite got comfortable with the Nike SV Tour wedges I was trying to game, which use the S400 shaft. I found that even in wedges, I prefer a lighter/less stiff shaft and club than what the Nike SV Tour had to offer. Like anything else in this game, there are different options to suit different preferences.

Equipment:
Ping K15 Driver (10.5º) - Diamana BB R flex; Ping G15 4 Wood (TFC R flex); Ping G15 20* Hybrid (TFC R flex); Ping G15 23* and 27* Hybrids (AWT R flex steel); Ping G15 Irons 6-GW (AWT R flex steel); Ping I-Wedge 54* Wedge; CG14 BP 58* Wedge; Odyssey Black Series Tour Designs #9 Putter


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I use soft stepped DG SL R shafts in my irons. I plan on pulling the shafts in my Vokeys and going to a DG R300 or the SLs.

Kevin

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Whenever I get new irons fitted to me (I'm probably going to get KZG irons custom made, a top club fitter in the nation in Cincy) i'm going to get the same shafts put in all my wedges or go off what he thinks would work best. This is not anytime soon but when I do this, I'm going to get all my wedges re-done and regrooved in black chrome at the same time. I plan on having my 54, 58 vokey and 56, 60 vokey done so I can switch them out depending on turf and sand conditions. Low bounce and ultra soft sand is a horrid combo.

Brian


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OK well for all you better players out there: Do you feel the kick in the shaft when you swing? I don't really feel anything when I swing as far as the shaft. I think my clubs are too stiff or I can't swing worth a crap .

In my Sasquatch stand bag
Driver: G5 10.5*
Fairway wood: R9 4 wood
Irons: R7 3-PW OR Firesole 3-PW
Wedges: VR 52-10 56-14 & 260-4Putter: TraceyShoe: Powerband 3.0


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