My Swing (MikeLowry5)

[MikeLowry5]

Lots of good things with your golf swing. Forward swing much better than the backswing.

Thank you! I am having alot of trouble learning the correct way to take the club back without bringing my hands to the inside. Naturally if I start to bring my hands back they start going to the inside. So for me to push straight out is actually like pushing off to the left or outside. I have shorter arms which may help contribute to this.

Any suggestions or tips to think about when taking the club back? I do the "trace the line" drill when I practice however, once I start hitting balls I am unable to keep the hands from going inside.

[iacas]

Thank you! I am having alot of trouble learning the correct way to take the club back without bringing my hands to the inside. Naturally if I start to bring my hands back they start going to the inside. So for me to push straight out is actually like pushing off to the left or outside. I have shorter arms which may help contribute to this.

I must not be understanding something. You WANT the hands to go back to the inside*. Why is what you do a bad thing, and why on earth would you want your hands to "push straight out"?

*

I hate the term "inside" because that implies under the plane or off the plane. Instead, "inside" is actually straight up the plane, and on plane.

[MikeLowry5]

I must not be understanding something. You WANT the hands to go back to the inside*. Why is what you do a bad thing, and why on earth would you want your hands to "push straight out"?

"Naturally if I start to bring my hands back they start going to the inside.

So for me to push straight out is actually like pushing off to the left or outside . I have shorter arms which may help contribute to this." A better explanation of what I want to do is to keep the club head coming back along the line rather than it going inside my hands so quickly in the backswing. If you wish you may look at the new videos I posted for a better explanation of the issue I have. I welcome your comments after that!

[delav]

and why on earth would you want your hands to "push straight out"?

Mike - you really, really don't want this. I spent years trying to take the club and my hands back along the target line. If you move your hands out away from you, eventually the only place the club can get is in a bad position, laid off inside. Huge bad mess of crap.

What Uttexas, iacas, and others are suggesting is the opposite. The hands move in, think about the butt of the club grazing your left thigh on the way back. Doing this while keeping the clubhead outside of your hands (see ricky fowler for an extreme example) is the move to correct where you get to at P2 and beyond. Check out the threads mentioned above.

[iacas]

A better explanation of what I want to do is to keep the club head coming back along the line rather than it going inside my hands so quickly in the backswing.

The hands and the clubhead act almost like they're on a lever system in the backswing. If you take your hands inside, the tendency will be for the club to stay outside. Conversely, if you take your hands outside the club will have a tendency to roll inside.

But beyond that...

Mike - you really, really don't want this. I spent years trying to take the club and my hands back along the target line. If you move your hands out away from you, eventually the only place the club can get is in a bad position, laid off inside. Huge bad mess of crap.

Yep. Read that several times Mike.

What Uttexas, iacas, and others are suggesting is the opposite. The hands move in, think about the butt of the club grazing your left thigh on the way back.

I was going to correct you and say "right thigh" but then I saw Mike's a lefty.

I'm tempted to produce a video on the fulcrum/lever idea.

[uttexas]

Yes, hands in = good:club head in early (which you do a bit)=not so good

Grant Waite--see how club head stays outside the hands until the club shaft is parallel to ground = good


Me--before instruction--taking clubhead in behind my hands too early=bad

[MikeLowry5]

[QUOTE=iacas;555949]"The hands and the clubhead act almost like they're on a lever system in the backswing. If you take your hands inside, the tendency will be for the club to stay outside. Conversely, if you take your hands outside the club will have a tendency to roll inside."
This is good info


"I'm tempted to produce a video on the fulcrum/lever idea."

A folcrum point, now you're speaking my language!

Yes, I want the clubhead to travel along the path of the target line longer, not my hands. Suggestions or can you point me in the right direction to learn how to correctly start the backswing allowing me to travel this path more naturally?

[MikeLowry5]

Yes, hands in = good:club head in early (which you do a bit)=not so good

Funny that you put up a video of Grant Waite as the instructor I work with at Golf Galaxy loves his swing and uses it for all comparisons.

[iacas]

Yes, I want the clubhead to travel along the path of the target line longer, not my hands. Suggestions or can you point me in the right direction to learn how to correctly start the backswing allowing me to travel this path more naturally?

You don't want the clubhead to travel in a straight line either. Both the hands and the clubhead will move up, back, and in.

Funny that you put up a video of Grant Waite as the instructor I work with at Golf Galaxy loves his swing and uses it for all comparisons.

You know Grant Waite is S&T; right?

Your drill? Feel more like Rickie Fowler on the takeaway.

[MikeLowry5]

You don't want the clubhead to travel in a straight line either. Both the hands and the clubhead will move up, back, and in.

Odd but I was working on doing this yesterday for awhile, however I cannot tell you of a ball that didn't hit the hosel when doing this. I'll chalk it up to just an odd feeling and trying to do something different. I was not worried about the ball flight or trajectory at that point.

I did not know that Grant Waite was a S&T; guy, don't know who he is at all. His swing looks good to me however it does not look like a textbook S&T; swing. Is there rumors out there on the internets that I am against S&T;?

[iacas]

Odd but I was working on doing this yesterday for awhile, however I cannot tell you of a ball that didn't hit the hosel when doing this. I'll chalk it up to just an odd feeling and trying to do something different. I was not worried about the ball flight or trajectory at that point.

It might be. To paraphrase a part of The Golfing Machine: "Make the proper moves that you need to make to hit the ball well even if you miss the ball... until you no longer miss the ball."

His swing looks good to me however it does not look like a textbook S&T; swing. Is there rumors out there on the internets that I am against S&T;?

His swing is pretty close to the model. No rumors, I was just saying that because I doubt your instructor knows he is...

[walk18]

Looks like you're really close Mike, just keep working on the Rickie fowler type takeaway. Maybe post your next vid hitting a 6 or 5 iron, sometimes the results from longer clubs can be more revealing of where your swing is at.

[MikeLowry5]

Thanks for the advice. So far it is a work in progress. Trying to feel the clubface staying along the plane during the backswing has taken a toll on the overall crispness of the shots as I am focused more on that then making a good shot. Luckily, it is December and not April :). I'll post another video this week with an update of the backswing progress.

Can anyone explain the issues that swinging the clubface inside of your hands and under the plane can cause on the downswing?

[walk18]

Thanks for the advice. So far it is a work in progress. Trying to feel the clubface staying along the plane during the backswing has taken a toll on the overall crispness of the shots as I am focused more on that then making a good shot. Luckily, it is December and not April :). I'll post another video this week with an update of the backswing progress.

Yeah it's going to cause slices and pulls.

[delav]

Thanks for the advice. So far it is a work in progress. Trying to feel the clubface staying along the plane during the backswing has taken a toll on the overall crispness of the shots as I am focused more on that then making a good shot. Luckily, it is December and not April :). I'll post another video this week with an update of the backswing progress.

It is not an easy change to make, and it will likely take quite a bit of work to begin to feel normal. Allowing the club to get inside your hands (laying club off) requires extra correction to get the club back on plane at the top. It's not entirely a bad move, but it requires more timing to get things right at impact. The result is the tendency to get stuck inside, and you'll likely hit pushes and snap hooks. Getting rid of the laid-off club, and the extra movements needed to correct it will improve your game... stick with it!

Keeping the clubhead outside of your hands (more appropriately, your hands INSIDE the clubhead) gets the club moving on plane properly, and will ultimately lead to a better path into the ball and more consistency in your shots. I've battled this all year, and it's worth fixing.

[uttexas]

Several things happen if clubhead gets behind the hands too early
As delav mentioned, there's the extra correction move (lifting) to get the club on plane at the top of the backswing.
One would also lose connection with the armpit pressure points
It would also make it more difficult to make a good hip turn.

deep hands thread
http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...ands-Explained

[MikeLowry5]

His swing is pretty close to the model. No rumors, I was just saying that because I doubt your instructor knows he is...

He has a very nice swing.

Not sure there is a beef with S&T; on my instructors behalf. It seems as if the S&T; crowd often feels slighted however, I do not believe you are as hated nearly as much as you might think. You will get your credit in due time. :)

[iacas]

Not sure there is a beef with S&T; on my instructors behalf. It seems as if the S&T; crowd often feels slighted however, I do not believe you are as hated nearly as much as you might think. You will get your credit in due time. :)

I don't feel slighted. I just wonder if your guy knows, that's all. You should ask him.