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I'm continuing to work on my P2 through P4 positions. If I get P2, P3 falls in line and P4 is better, but I still tend to overdo P4.

My work on P2 involves getting my hands in and keeping the clubhead out. That's an ongoing thing for virtually everyone, though. The bigger issue and the one I've really keyed in on lately is the feeling that my right knee goes back, up, and behind me instead of just straightening (losing flex). If I just straighten the right knee (not locked, again, just decreasing flex) then my hips tended to shift forward, making it REALLY tough for them to push forward like they need to on the downswing. So the right knee goes up, back, and behind me, which keeps the hips stable. Then hands go in with a softer right arm.

My move from P2 to the top feels almost like I just push back with my left arm. That'll lift it up a bit (I sometimes get too close to the hand plane and not the elbow plane) and pivot the club and right arm nicely. The left arm feels like it straightens (even though it never bends).

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What do you mean by "overdoing" the top of your swing?

just wondering.

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What do you mean by "overdoing" the top of your swing?

Two things in my swing. Maybe three.

My right arm tends to fold a bit to much, get a bit too far behind the shirt seam, and be too low because I'm trying so hard to get "depth" that I don't get the "up" part as much as I should.

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You are thinking way to much...

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You are thinking way to much...

I respectfully disagree. I'm working on my swing. The results are improving.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
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I respectfully disagree. I'm working on my swing. The results are improving.

The "way to much" is paved with thinking. Sorry - grammarian joke. Some people may find it easier to clear their mind when all the stones have been turned over.

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