Filling a gap in the bag: 5w or 2h?

[Travtex]

I originally picked up my Nickent 3dx hybrid irons set for super cheap, so no complaint is intended when I say that I wasn't sent the ACTUAL 3dx hybrid iron set.  The incorrect hybrids were included, and after ignoring it for a year or so, I'm finally getting decent enough consistency that the loft/yardage gap could make a difference.

Basically, here's how the top end of my bag is sitting:

3w:  15*

3h:   20*

4h:   23*

5i:    22*

The 5 iron is basically just taking up space in my bag.  I don't hit it particularly well, and considering that any situation I might call up on it, I'm pulling out the 4 hybid -- Not likely to improve.

So, that has me looking at the 15-20 gap.  So, I've read some conflicting stories about which is easier to hit, distance, ball flight, etc... I can pick up a 3dx 17* 2h OR a Mizuno F60 5w for somewhere in the neighborhood of the same price, so I can maintain consistent feel with either my 3 & 4h or my 3w relatively inexpensively.

Problem with the 'Hit a bunch and see how they feel' approach is that I'm a lefty in a small market.  I'm lucky to find ANY left-handed clubs to test drive, much less specific ones.

Anyway, I'm just looking to hear some experiences regarding the differences between a 2H and a 5W.  I don't think either option would be innately 'better' than the other.  I've had similar success with the 3 wood and the 3 hybrid off the tee.  Though when I screw up, I tend to push the wood and pull hook the hybrid (For whatever difference that might contribute).

Will probably get most use off the tee, as I've flat-out abandoned my driver until further notice.

[inthehole]

I have Adams 5W & 2H (17*) ... I love hitting the 5W off the tee, but have very little control with it ... the 2H is so much more controllable.     Distance is about 20y less with the 2H - wish i had room in my bag for both ... but I'm going with the 2H mainly due to consistensy.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Travtex

I originally picked up my Nickent 3dx hybrid irons set for super cheap, so no complaint is intended when I say that I wasn't sent the ACTUAL 3dx hybrid iron set.  The incorrect hybrids were included, and after ignoring it for a year or so, I'm finally getting decent enough consistency that the loft/yardage gap could make a difference.

Basically, here's how the top end of my bag is sitting:

3w:  15*

3h:   20*

4h:   23*

5i:    22*

The 5 iron is basically just taking up space in my bag.  I don't hit it particularly well, and considering that any situation I might call up on it, I'm pulling out the 4 hybid -- Not likely to improve.

So, that has me looking at the 15-20 gap.  So, I've read some conflicting stories about which is easier to hit, distance, ball flight, etc... I can pick up a 3dx 17* 2h OR a Mizuno F60 5w for somewhere in the neighborhood of the same price, so I can maintain consistent feel with either my 3 & 4h or my 3w relatively inexpensively.

Problem with the 'Hit a bunch and see how they feel' approach is that I'm a lefty in a small market.  I'm lucky to find ANY left-handed clubs to test drive, much less specific ones.

Anyway, I'm just looking to hear some experiences regarding the differences between a 2H and a 5W.  I don't think either option would be innately 'better' than the other.  I've had similar success with the 3 wood and the 3 hybrid off the tee.  Though when I screw up, I tend to push the wood and pull hook the hybrid (For whatever difference that might contribute).

Will probably get most use off the tee, as I've flat-out abandoned my driver until further notice.

You need this club why? Sounds like you need new irons or something if you can't hit a 5-iron. If you can't reliably hit a 5-iron, good luck with a 2-hybrid. Sure a 2-hybrid is easier to hit than a 2-iron (that's the theory - I hit them about the same and lean toward the iron), but there shouldn't be that much of a gap between a 3-hybrid and a 3-wood. Some, but not enough to lug around another club that's probably going to be a huge disappointment in the end. I think there must be some truth serum in my coffee this morning!?!?

[WUTiger]

Quote:

So, that has me looking at the 15-20 gap.  So, I've read some conflicting stories about which is easier to hit, distance, ball flight, etc...

Anyway, I'm just looking to hear some experiences regarding the differences between a 2H and a 5W.

First of all, compare the shaft length between the two. The 5W probably has a longer shaft, and maybe 18* loft. Also, a 5W likely will have a more curved clubface - this bulge and roll creates a gear effect: shots hit toward toe or heel spin back toward center.

Haven't hit a 2H, but equipment reps from Callaway and Adams advised that 2H is rather difficult for mid to upper-HDCP players to hit, especially for non-fairway shots. Expanding on what sean miller said, I would suggest you get a lesson to see if you need to correct swing problems before shelling out $$ on more clubs.

[inthehole]

Originally Posted by WUTiger

Quote:

Haven't hit a 2H, but equipment reps from Callaway and Adams advised that 2H is rather difficult for mid to upper-HDCP players to hit, especially for non-fairway shots. .

Curious what the Callaway & Adams reps meant by difficult for mid/upper HDCP players to hit ... in relation to WHAT ?        My 2H is about 2 inches shorter than my 5W & at least for me as a beginner, it's exponentially easier to hit than the 5W (could just be a mental thing).      Sure, it's tougher to hit than say a 4 iron, but I'd be curious to know what they were comparing it to, thx

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by inthehole

Curious what the Callaway & Adams reps meant by difficult for mid/upper HDCP players to hit ... in relation to WHAT ?        My 2H is about 2 inches shorter than my 5W & at least for me as a beginner, it's exponentially easier to hit than the 5W (could just be a mental thing).      Sure, it's tougher to hit than say a 4 iron, but I'd be curious to know what they were comparing it to, thx

I've seen a lot of high handicappers who struggle with both fairway woods and hybrids, so maybe the Adams and Callaway reps meant that golf in general is hard for them, and that 2-hybrids aren't going to be the magic bullet they think it is.

It's all relative. A 4-hybrid may be easier to hit than a 4-iron, but if a player can't hit an iron longer than an 8 iron off the ground, that player probably still can't hit the 4-hybrid because that player sucks.

In my experience, 5-woods are easier to hit (to get off the ground with a decent amount of distance) than a 2-iron. Once you can hit both reliably, 2-irons are typically straighter but probably a little bit lower and shorter with a tighter distance dispersion - similar to what you're seeing with your 5-wood  and 2-hybrid.

[WUTiger]

inthehole,

Wish I could remember the specs of the clubs... (I hit both Adams and Callaway tour-head hybrids - R flex shafts -  in a "contest" against my X20 3-iron. Demo day was this time last year)

Basically, both reps said the 2H was difficult to use as a trouble club out of the rough for mid-HDCP and above; it had to do with lower clubhead speed. Because of this they recommended mid-HDCP players stay with 3H and above.

A quick check of the Callaway site shows that - with exception of FT-iZ model - the 18* 2H is only offered in the Tour version of hybrids.

2011 Callaway Hybrid Offerings

Model	Regular	Tour
FT-iZ	2H - 5H	None
Edge	3H - 6H	2H - 4H
RazR X	3H - 6H	2H - 4H

Here's the Callaway Hybrid link if you want other details: http://www.callawaygolf.com/Global/en-US/Products/Clubs/Hybrids.html

I don't play hybrids myself, so what are the rest of you seeing in the 2H (and what loft does it have?)

[Kieran123]

I have hit a couple 2H and they are relatively easy to hit...never hit a 2iron, in fact, I haven't hit a 3 iron in nearly 2 years, so I have no idea how I would do with one of those either, although my old Slingshot 3H was easy to hit, in terms of irons though, I dunno, therefore, ignore everything I'm typing because it's useless rambling from a guy who's had too many coffees.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by WUTiger

inthehole,

Wish I could remember the specs of the clubs... (I hit both Adams and Callaway tour-head hybrids - R flex shafts -  in a "contest" against my X20 3-iron. Demo day was this time last year)

Basically, both reps said the 2H was difficult to use as a trouble club out of the rough for mid-HDCP and above; it had to do with lower clubhead speed. Because of this they recommended mid-HDCP players stay with 3H and above.

A quick check of the Callaway site shows that - with exception of FT-iZ model - the 18* 2H is only offered in the Tour version of hybrids.

2011 Callaway Hybrid Offerings

Model

Regular

Tour

FT-iZ

2H - 5H

None

Edge

3H - 6H

2H - 4H

RazR X

3H - 6H

2H - 4H

Here's the Callaway Hybrid link if you want other details: http://www.callawaygolf.com/Global/en-US/Products/Clubs/Hybrids.html

I don't play hybrids myself, so what are the rest of you seeing in the 2H (and what loft does it have?)

That's why I think TaylorMade should market a new club for high handicappers. Abandon the term "Rescue" because it implies they've been saved and that good things are about to happen for everyone involved. The new club should be called a "Fescue" and top professionals will use it out ot the rough. Upon further inspection, it appears to be an 8-iron, but the fancy magnetic headcover begs to differ.

[newtogolf]

I agree with WUTiger, 2h for lefties is a tour club from most of the major manufacturers (like Callaway) so it's less forgiving, stiffer shaft, and harder to hit.  I like and hit my Diablo Edge 5w much better than the Razr Edge Tour 2h.  I never tried the FT-iZ 2h regular, but that's because until the post from WUTiger I'd never seen one and not sure one was made for lefties.

[inthehole]

Originally Posted by WUTiger

inthehole,

Wish I could remember the specs of the clubs... (I hit both Adams and Callaway tour-head hybrids - R flex shafts -  in a "contest" against my X20 3-iron. Demo day was this time last year)

Basically, both reps said the 2H was difficult to use as a trouble club out of the rough for mid-HDCP and above; it had to do with lower clubhead speed. Because of this they recommended mid-HDCP players stay with 3H and above.

A quick check of the Callaway site shows that - with exception of FT-iZ model - the 18* 2H is only offered in the Tour version of hybrids.

2011 Callaway Hybrid Offerings

Model

Regular

Tour

FT-iZ

2H - 5H

None

Edge

3H - 6H

2H - 4H

RazR X

3H - 6H

2H - 4H

Here's the Callaway Hybrid link if you want other details: http://www.callawaygolf.com/Global/en-US/Products/Clubs/Hybrids.html

I don't play hybrids myself, so what are the rest of you seeing in the 2H (and what loft does it have?)

WUTiger - thanks ... that's interesting.      I've never had a whole lot of difficulty hitting the 2H from the rough, but it's usually not my go to club for that application.     The only reason I bag the 2H is that it's awesome off the tee - I hit it as far as my 5W & much more accurately ... and only use it from the fairway or rough if I have a good lie.       consequently, it doesn't get a ton of use ... I do use the 4H more often, much easier to hit consistently due to the shorter shaft length...