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Originally Posted by Rip24

James, why do you bother posting if you dont want to get in on the discussion.  Congratulations, you screwed up the thread and now we are talking about chewbaca the wookie.  You really think somebody is trolling these message boards for your thoughts on the swing to relay it over to Luke Donald?   What an ego....



Actually, yes. That is exactly what some are doing thank you very much.

Like I said which was ontopic (unlike your post) there needs to be clarification of what people are talking about. Handle height at setup compared to impact. Or if the handle is lowering or raising during impact interval.

This has an affect on swing direction and spin rates.

No need to apologize, I forgive you.

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Originally Posted by Rip24

James, why do you bother posting if you dont want to get in on the discussion.  Congratulations, you screwed up the thread and now we are talking about chewbaca the wookie.  You really think somebody is trolling these message boards for your thoughts on the swing to relay it over to Luke Donald?   What an ego....

Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

Actually, yes. That is exactly what some are doing thank you very much.

Like I said which was ontopic (unlike your post) there needs to be clarification of what people are talking about. Handle height at setup compared to impact. Or if the handle is lowering or raising during impact interval.

This has an affect on swing direction and spin rates.

No need to apologize, I forgive you.



Yes it is very much true, we have been warned about spy's watching what we say on twitter, FB and on here.  There is a certain instructor that is running out of time, pulling straws and outsourcing his Trackman info from a former S&T instructor.  His recent article in Golf Digest talking about taking a divot with a driver, shows he's being led down the wrong path.  The correct info will be presented this year and will be timestamped.  Not going to have any problems like there was with Sean O'Hair.

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Originally Posted by mvmac

Yes it is very much true, we have been warned about spy's watching what we say on twitter, FB and on here.  There is a certain instructor that is running out of time, pulling straws and outsourcing his Trackman info from a former S&T instructor.  His recent article in Golf Digest talking about taking a divot with a driver, shows he's being led down the wrong path.  The correct info will be presented this year and will be timestamped.  Not going to have any problems like there was with Sean O'Hair.


Wow... This could get interesting considering the only article I can think of talking about Drivers and divots is from Sean Foley....  I'm guessing you won't elaborate though  :)

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I have to repeat myself because the OP can be taken in differing views. lowerING... as in hands ACTUALLY getting lower from P6.8-P7.3 OR just lower than they were at Setup.

In which case they won't be lower than they were at setup (unless you setup like Chris DiMarco) and hit slices (wait... thats his pattern too),

But you would probably (hint) want to swing a little to the right with the driver....

Originally Posted by Hoganwoods

Wow... This could get interesting considering the only article I can think of talking about Drivers and divots is from Sean Foley....  I'm guessing you won't elaborate though  :)



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Originally Posted by Hoganwoods

Wow... This could get interesting considering the only article I can think of talking about Drivers and divots is from Sean Foley....  I'm guessing you won't elaborate though  :)


I know it seems ridiculous but it is true.  It's not really as much on here but def on facebook and twitter.  You'll  notice we never talk about Tiger's swing #hisean  It kills me but I've been sworn to secrecy.  All the "answers" are on this site though, check out  the "Swing Thoughts" forum.

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That's weird considering he has many students who drive the ball quite well...

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Originally Posted by Hoganwoods

That's weird considering he has many students who drive the ball quite well...

apparently Rose and Mahan don't count for much......lol, I've now heard it all. For how much 'free' info is given out on this site why would anyone care if 'elite' instructors were paying attention. Copying is supposed to be the highest form of flattery.


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Originally Posted by RadarNinja

apparently Rose and Mahan don't count for much......lol, I've now heard it all. For how much 'free' info is given out on this site why would anyone care if 'elite' instructors were paying attention. Copying is supposed to be the highest form of flattery.

My last post on this thread was a year and a half ago.  Like I said I was asked by some friends at the time to not comment on Tiger's swings.  Now it's not really a big deal.

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