I Used to Play This Game With Fear!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Does the fear that a golfer feels when he has a 6' birdie putt compare to the emptying streets in Bagdad, probably not. But its still a type of fear.

Uhm, unless they have no fear. It's rolling a ball into a hole. If that causes ANY fear of ANY kind, then I'm with Bullitt - take up another sport or game.

Originally Posted by Patrick57

I think its clear that everyone feels fear on the golf course.

Not even close to clear, no.

[Apotheosis]

There is nothing to be afraid of even if that 6 footer is for the Fed Ex cup. Pressure =/= fear.

[Anjew]

(psst guys, seriously, why do we continue to humour him by responding to his posts? Why not just let them die, and go to the bottom, and disappear forever?)

[Bullitt5339]

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Bulliit, we got off on the wrong foot. Your definition of fear and mine are different ball parks but as I said in another post, if you take risks on the course then the very wording hints towards anxiety or fear. If you don't take risks then you are playing a boring game that doesn't sound like fun to me.

Risks on the golf course don't have any REAL consequences on the rest of my life, so no... I don't have anxiety or fear over a risky golf shot.  It either happens and I get high fives, or it goes awry and I laugh and say:  "I told you I should lay up".  Either way, it's not fear, because there are no real consequences.  I got a double bogey instead of a par........  whoopie.

So for a 3rd time:  If you feel fear or anxiety on the golf course, you're taking things way too seriously and need to evaluate your priorities in life.  It's a game, and is supposed to be enjoyed, not feared.

If that 6' putt was required to feed my family for the week, maybe I would feel some anxiety, but I play for enjoyment and not as a means to provide for my family.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339

If that 6' putt was required to feed my family for the week, maybe I would feel some anxiety, but I play for enjoyment and not as a means to provide for my family.

Additionally, "anxiety" is not a synonym for "fear," which is defined as "a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid."

There's no "impending danger, evil, or pain" if you have a six footer for birdie. Anxiety != fear.

(I don't have anxiety on the golf course either, just saying that "fear" is specific, while P57 wants to let it apply to everything as it suits his case at the moment.)

[MiniBlueDragon]

Anxiety can be both positive or negative too; I can anxiously await the arrival of my favourite meal (positive) or I could feel anxious about a job interview (negative) as an example.

On the golf course anxiety can ride alongside fear or be completely separate from it. e.g. I could have worked hard on my driver swing all week and hit perfect drive after perfect drive so I'm anxiously awaiting my tee off time to let one rip down the middle of the fairway (positive) but at the same time feel fearful of the fact that it's an important match in a tournament I always fail in.

[Patrick57]

Uhm, unless they have no fear. It's rolling a ball into a hole. If that causes ANY fear of ANY kind, then I'm with Bullitt - take up another sport or game.

I must be weaker than most. [quote name="Apotheosis" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695849"]There is nothing to be afraid of even if that 6 footer is for the Fed Ex cup. Pressure =/= fear. [/quote] Its fear of failure! Its fear of looking bad or stupid. [quote name="Anjew" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695851"] (psst guys, seriously, why do we continue to humour him by responding to his posts? Why not just let them die, and go to the bottom, and disappear forever?) [/quote] Because its a discussion forum, lads! Do you have another point perhaps on this theme.? [quote name="Bullitt5339" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695863"] Risks on the golf course don't have any REAL consequences on the rest of my life, so no... I don't have anxiety or fear over a risky golf shot.  It either happens and I get high fives, or it goes awry and I laugh and say:  "I told you I should lay up".  Either way, it's not fear, because there are no real consequences.  I got a double bogey instead of a par........  whoopie.   So for a 3rd time:  If you feel fear or anxiety on the golf course, you're taking things way too seriously and need to evaluate your priorities in life.  It's a game, and is supposed to be enjoyed, not feared. If that 6' putt was required to feed my family for the week, maybe I would feel some anxiety, but I play for enjoyment and not as a means to provide for my family. [/quote] But golf is a microcosm of life. Your life starts on the first hole - the beginning of your game - and ends on the 18th. Along the way you experience many different emotions, joy, sadness, anger, fun, sorrow, elation and many more. At the beginning of the round you play cautiously, by the middle of the round you have more trust and faith in your ability and by the end of the round, depending on your results you look back on how you lived the experience. Its that type of game. Many games are like that but golf is very special for many people. I experience most every day feelings when I play golf and fear is just one of them. I find it hard to understand that I am almost alone in this but 'C'est la vie'

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Patrick57

I find it hard to understand

If you were allowed to have a signature, that should be it.

It's very simple: not everyone is exactly like you. I'd venture to guess that most people aren't even mostly like you.

[teamroper60]

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Pressure is a point you reach because of fear. The fear of failure or success. A 6 foot putt for birdie or par, whether you sink it or not there is a decrease in pressure once its over. Relief from an intensity of fear.

{edited}   Several posts have stated what I originally wrote here..............

[teamroper60]

Originally Posted by iacas

It's very simple: not everyone is exactly like you. I'd venture to guess that most people aren't even mostly like you.

Truer words have not been typed in this thread........

[Bullitt5339]

You just don't get it dude.  Either you're the most fearful person I've ever met, or you simply don't understand the difference in the definitions of Pressure, Anxiety and Fear.  Feeling pressure is normal in all aspects of life.  It may be to finish that term-paper in college, or to wow the boss with a great product right around time for evaluation reports.  You are using all 3 as synonyms, and that's simply not true.  Pressure doesn't lead to fear or vice-versa, they are indeed two separate entities.  People who allow pressure to lead to anxiety and/or fear have separate problems.

Pressure is normal.

Anxiety is not normal, and is an by-product of not handling stress well.  Anxious and Anxiety are also different, unlike what was posted before.  You can be anxious to go try out that new driver, but if it is causing you anxiety, that is not a normal response.  If you feel anxiety by anything that happens on the course, quit golf.  Anxiety is not healthy.

Fear is a raw emotion, the definition was posted above, but needless to say, fear is not something you should ever experience on the course......  Well, except that one time at Waterway Hills when I pushed the ball into a ditch and went to hit it and there was a cottonmouth guarding my ball.  When I tried to scare him away, he came after me.  I have to say that caused me a little fear, but fear due to impending shots on the course should never happen.

[Patrick57]

{edited}   Several posts have stated what I originally wrote here..............

Anxious: aflutter, nervous, edgy, ill at ease, insecure, jittery, jumpy, nervy, perturbed, queasy, tense, troubled, uneasy, upset, uptight, worried. [quote name="iacas" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695915"] If you were allowed to have a signature, that should be it. It's very simple: not everyone is exactly like you. I'd venture to guess that most people aren't even mostly like you. [/quote] Its called individuality: character, identity, individualism, personality, selfhood, self-identity [quote name="teamroper60" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695959"] Truer words have not been typed in this thread........ [/quote] In opposition to a Yes-man...one who endorses or supports without criticism every opinion or proposal of an associate or superior [quote name="Bullitt5339" url="/t/56719/i-used-to-play-this-game-with-fear/54#post_695966"] You just don't get it dude.  Either you're the most fearful person I've ever met, or you simply don't understand the difference in the definitions of Pressure, Anxiety and Fear.  Feeling pressure is normal in all aspects of life.  It may be to finish that term-paper in college, or to wow the boss with a great product right around time for evaluation reports.  You are using all 3 as synonyms, and that's simply not true.  Pressure doesn't lead to fear or vice-versa, they are indeed two separate entities.  People who allow pressure to lead to anxiety and/or fear have separate problems. Pressure is normal. Anxiety is not normal, and is an by-product of not handling stress well.  Anxious and Anxiety are also different, unlike what was posted before.  You can be anxious to go try out that new driver, but if it is causing you anxiety, that is not a normal response.  If you feel anxiety by anything that happens on the course, quit golf.  Anxiety is not healthy. Fear is a raw emotion, the definition was posted above, but needless to say, fear is not something you should ever experience on the course......  Well, except that one time at Waterway Hills when I pushed the ball into a ditch and went to hit it and there was a cottonmouth guarding my ball.  When I tried to scare him away, he came after me.  I have to say that caused me a little fear, but fear due to impending shots on the course should never happen.   [/quote] Pressure: stress, strain, tension Anxious: aflutter, nervous, edgy, ill at ease, insecure, jittery, jumpy, nervy, perturbed, queasy, tense, troubled, uneasy, upset, uptight, worried. Anxiety: anxiousness, apprehension, apprehensiveness, care, concern, disquiet, fear, nervosity, nervousness, unease, uneasiness, worry Fear: alarm, anxiety, dread, fearfulness, fright, horror, panic, trepidation Anxious, anxiety and fear more or less mean the same and pressure is a build up of fear, concern, nervousness, uneasiness, worry, care, panic etc. We can all play around with words. Many golfers care so they get anxious and then the pressure builds up.

[Apotheosis]

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Many golfers care so they get anxious and then the pressure builds up.

Last thing I will say in this thread since its just going in circles like all your threads end up doing P57 is this.  Just because a golfer gets "anxious" causing them to feel more pressure to preform, does not make them afraid.  That part you clearly don't understand.

[teamroper60]

Originally Posted by Apotheosis

Last thing I will say in this thread since its just going in circles like all your threads end up doing P57 is this.  Just because a golfer gets "anxious" causing them to feel more pressure to preform, does not make them afraid.  That part you clearly don't understand.

That is only one thing on a large list of things he apparently doesn't understand...........

[dak4n6]

OK, why can't we all recognize that P57 knows our own emotions on the golf course better that we do?

When I say that I actually look forward to hitting the next shot with joy rather than fear (even if it is a recovery of some sort), why can't I admit that I am wrong, I have no idea what my true emotions are, and that I am revealing symtoms of a deep seated problem? I don't really revel in the game of golf, relish the thought of hitting good shots, and thoroughly enjoy the unique challenge of the swing, but in reality I fear all of the above because P57 says so (endlessly). I am an idiot in denial (or a Replicant, whatever the f0ck that is).

Look, P57 is an accidental Troll. I don't think he does it purposefully, but the outcome is nevertheless the same. These types reside on forums everywhere, existing just to stir things up and get reactions from the members, feeding on endless cycles of arguments and blah blah blah.

Is there an 'Ignore' function on this forum?

Bye bye P57!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by dak4n6

Look, P57 is an accidental Troll. I don't think he does it purposefully, but the outcome is nevertheless the same. These types reside on forums everywhere, existing just to stir things up and get reactions from the members, feeding on endless cycles of arguments and blah blah blah.

Is there an 'Ignore' function on this forum?

Yes.

[The_Pharaoh]

Trolls like Patty Boy will continue to flourish on forums like TST because we all keep feeding him. Come on people, let's move on when we see the name Patrick57 on here.

[Bullitt5339]

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Trolls like Patty Boy will continue to flourish on forums like TST because we all keep feeding him. Come on people, let's move on when we see the name Patrick57 on here.

Now that's something I can do and agree with.