Driver and 3w same distance, LM and course data included...any opinions?

[chilly]

I finally picked up a GPS and have been able to mark tee shots and confirm my suspicion.  Basically, I'm getting same distance from my driver and 3wd.  I have eliminated a few of the usual suspects like poor driver fit, stats below:

I just did a driver fitting at Golftec and have the following numbers, my two drivers are an Adams 9015d 9.5 with 70S Harrison Saga, and a Ping i15 8* with 69g stiff Axivcore Red.  Specs were basically the same between both drivers, Adams spun a bit more but in general

106-110mph SS

11.5-12.5* launch

2500-2700rpm spin

260carry, 280 total for good swings

This pretty much jives with what I see on course.  A "nutted" drive seems to carry 260ish, total distance depends on slope.

This weekend I hit my TEE CB1 15* with Prolaunch Platinum 75S a few more times then normal on course, remembered to mark two well struck shots and had them at 258 on level ground, 281yd on decent downslope.

Yesterday I went to a range (downhill) where you can easily see balls landing.  Well struck shots, driver was barely longer then my current 3wd.  I actually hit a TM RBZ 13* Tour and it really seemed neck and neck with the driver, carrying the 250 marker (laser verified) just a bit so I had a good reference.  Side note, the hype is justified on the RBZ, even accounting for the 13 vs 15*, it's longer then the CB1.

So, between what I'm seeing on the course and verified on a launch monitor and driving range, I'm carrying the 3wd right with driver.  My driver fits well according to Golftec, and this also jives with the optimal launch condition calculators I see online.

OK, so what am I missing, should I put together a 12* driver with short shaft and see what happens?

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by chilly

I finally picked up a GPS and have been able to mark tee shots and confirm my suspicion.  Basically, I'm getting same distance from my driver and 3wd.  I have eliminated a few of the usual suspects like poor driver fit, stats below:

I just did a driver fitting at Golftec and have the following numbers, my two drivers are an Adams 9015d 9.5 with 70S Harrison Saga, and a Ping i15 8* with 69g stiff Axivcore Red.  Specs were basically the same between both drivers, Adams spun a bit more but in general

106-110mph SS

11.5-12.5* launch

2500-2700rpm spin

260carry, 280 total for good swings

This pretty much jives with what I see on course.  A "nutted" drive seems to carry 260ish, total distance depends on slope.

This weekend I hit my TEE CB1 15* with Prolaunch Platinum 75S a few more times then normal on course, remembered to mark two well struck shots and had them at 258 on level ground, 281yd on decent downslope.

Yesterday I went to a range (downhill) where you can easily see balls landing.  Well struck shots, driver was barely longer then my current 3wd.  I actually hit a TM RBZ 13* Tour and it really seemed neck and neck with the driver, carrying the 250 marker (laser verified) just a bit so I had a good reference.  Side note, the hype is justified on the RBZ, even accounting for the 13 vs 15*, it's longer then the CB1.

So, between what I'm seeing on the course and verified on a launch monitor and driving range, I'm carrying the 3wd right with driver.  My driver fits well according to Golftec, and this also jives with the optimal launch condition calculators I see online.

OK, so what am I missing, should I put together a 12* driver with short shaft and see what happens?

Any idea what your ball speed is off your driver and 3 wood?  The ball speed, launch and spin should tell you what you need to know.

[Th3R00st3r]

Originally Posted by chilly

Well struck shots, driver was barely longer then my current 3wd.  I actually hit a TM RBZ 13* Tour and it really seemed neck and neck with the driver, carrying the 250 marker (laser verified) just a bit so I had a good reference.  Side note, the hype is justified on the RBZ, even accounting for the 13 vs 15*, it's longer then the CB1....

17 YDS Longer?

I am currently in the same situation. I have a 2008 TM Burner and a 3 wood Burner from the same 2008 line. Hit them both about even steven at the range. The far net marker at the range is 225 from the stalls. i hit usually a one bouncer or at the bottom of the net with both consistently.  I do notice however that my swing is a bit different with the driver in where I am not getting my weight further left on the follow through. I have trouble with a reverse pivot where my weight is more on the right side than I want it to be. On the 3 it's a lot better. That probably has a lot to do with it for me.

Is your swing the same with both the 3 and driver? Mine isn't based on my video analysis.

Maybe post a video FO with the driver and 3 wood for comparison? I am a higher handicapper, so am in really no position to give advice, but thought I would chime in anyway.

[chilly]

I don't remember all the swings, but do remember one in particular that wasn't "killed" but decent was 157mph off the driver.

[chilly]

Originally Posted by Th3R00st3r

17 YDS Longer?

I am currently in the same situation. I have a 2008 TM Burner and a 3 wood Burner from the same 2008 line. Hit them both about even steven at the range. The far net marker at the range is 225 from the stalls. i hit usually a one bouncer or at the bottom of the net with both consistently.  I do notice however that my swing is a bit different with the driver in where I am not getting my weight further left on the follow through. I have trouble with a reverse pivot where my weight is more on the right side than I want it to be. On the 3 it's a lot better. That probably has a lot to do with it for me.

Is your swing the same with both the 3 and driver? Mine isn't based on my video analysis.

Maybe post a video FO with the driver and 3 wood for comparison? I am a higher handicapper, so am in really no position to give advice, but thought I would chime in anyway.

Hah, no, maybe 8-10yds, and I think that's due to the loft difference.  My 3wd also plays at 43.5" so it's not due to length of the club.  The CB1 is definitely the longest 3wd I've hit prior to the RBZ, so the RBZ is a legitimate long fairway IMO.

I was thinking about this and there may be something to the swing difference that you mention, hard to really tell without film but I may be able to lag the 3wd a bit more, mostly due to the shorter shaft.  Reviewing the good shots I hit with the 3wd, seems I may have gotten more of a snap at impact.  Again, hard to say without film.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by chilly

I don't remember all the swings, but do remember one in particular that wasn't "killed" but decent was 157mph off the driver.

If you can figure out those three numbers for both your driver and your 3wd you'll have your answer right there.  The ballspeed, launch angle and spin rates don't lie.  Could just be a fluke, could be poor contact with the driver, extremely good contact with the 3wd, etc.