Scorecard 2 question

[BioGolfNebraska]

Hey, I have been using Scorecard 2 to track my golf stats.  I really enjoy it, and it functions quite well and easily.  I know a lot of people on this forum use this software, so hopefully somebody has some answers to these questions (I couldn't find the exact answers in the manual).

1.  Some of my rounds that I entered are listed in green, while others are in black.  Does this mean that they are above or below my handicap/particular score?  Are only the rounds listed in green scored as part of the statistics?

2.  I play mostly 9 holes at a time, and it seems like the program combines 9 holes to formulate handicaps/statistics (as long as the 9 hole rounds are within a week of each other- per USGA rules, I believe).  Is there any way to get around this?  I would like to be able to incorporate my statistics from 9 hole half-rounds that were not played within a week of each other, or if 9 holes were played after 18 holes.  I would like to have these 9 hole rounds incorporated into my ongoing GIR/fairways hit/# puts/# birdies, etc. just so I know how I am playing.

If anyone/the creators of this program have some solutions to these questions, I would love to hear them.  Otherwise, I would love to hear any suggestions for software/online options that is better for tracking these stats for multiple courses for mostly 9 holes.

Thanks

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

1.  Some of my rounds that I entered are listed in green, while others are in black.  Does this mean that they are above or below my handicap/particular score?  Are only the rounds listed in green scored as part of the statistics?

I've used Scorecard 2 for about 2 years now and I think that rounds listed in green indicate that round was one of your better ones, where you played better than what you normal do. Rounds listed in black are just normal rounds.

All of the rounds are part of your stats, unless you choose not to include them.

You might find some more answers on the Cynical Peak Forums: http://forums.cynicalpeak.com/

[BioGolfNebraska]

The green rounds cannot simply be "one of the better ones".  If you believe this to be true in your situation, I am guessing that you have not been a careful observer.  I have played 30 rounds according to the program (and my count).  There are exactly 10 rounds in green and they are not the 10 best rounds (in neither raw score or differential).  I am assuming the 10 in green were the 10 used to calculate my handicap, but I thought that used the best 10 rounds?  (When I say "round", I mean "entered round" which could be 9 or 18 holes).

All of the entered rounds are not used in the statistics.  I have 2 points of evidence against this:

1.  In my statistics window, under "RAW scoring" (Eagles, Birdies, Par, Bogies, Double Bogies, Triple or worse), all of the "Overall" values are listed as 1/252.  When I add up all the strokes for my 30 rounds it equals 1758.  When I add up only the Green rounds, it equals 562.

2.  In the RAW scoring, it lists birdies as 1/252, when I have found at least 2 birdies entered in rounds.

Yes I have the box checked to use those rounds in statistics.  I have not found any information regarding this on the website or forum.

Thank you, anyone, for any clarification on this.  It isn't worth my time entering all of the statistics if only a proportion of them will actually be used for the stats/graphs of the program.  I want the statistics to account for EVERY shot.  As is, it only accounts for ~14% of my total shots, and this 14% does not tell me my TRUE GIR, # birdies, etc.  Thus, the program seems to be misleading.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

1.  Some of my rounds that I entered are listed in green, while others are in black.  Does this mean that they are above or below my handicap/particular score?  Are only the rounds listed in green scored as part of the statistics?

Green rounds are one of your ten best differentials and, thus, are one of the rounds used to calculate your handicap index.

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

2. I play mostly 9 holes at a time, and it seems like the program combines 9 holes to formulate handicaps/statistics (as long as the 9 hole rounds are within a week of each other- per USGA rules, I believe).  Is there any way to get around this?  I would like to be able to incorporate my statistics from 9 hole half-rounds that were not played within a week of each other, or if 9 holes were played after 18 holes.  I would like to have these 9 hole rounds incorporated into my ongoing GIR/fairways hit/# puts/# birdies, etc. just so I know how I am playing.

USGA Rules don't specify a time period. Consecutive nine-hole rounds are lumped together.

Because a golfer can play 9 holes, then 86 18-hole rounds, then 9 again, the USGA is fine with this because if you improve substantially the second nine holes your 18-hole score will simply be discarded. But we discard it from the stats because it would be misleading. What if you shoot 45 the first nine, practice a bunch, and then shoot 33? You'd get weird stats.

I think our period is longer than a week. It might be two.

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

The green rounds cannot simply be "one of the better ones".  If you believe this to be true in your situation, I am guessing that you have not been a careful observer. I have played 30 rounds according to the program (and my count).  There are exactly 10 rounds in green and they are not the 10 best rounds (in neither raw score or differential).  I am assuming the 10 in green were the 10 used to calculate my handicap, but I thought that used the best 10 rounds?  (When I say "round", I mean "entered round" which could be 9 or 18 holes).

Post a screenshot showing as many rounds as you can (make the window big). They'll be the 10 best of your last 20 differentials.

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

1.  In my statistics window, under "RAW scoring" (Eagles, Birdies, Par, Bogies, Double Bogies, Triple or worse), all of the "Overall" values are listed as 1/252.  When I add up all the strokes for my 30 rounds it equals 1758.  When I add up only the Green rounds, it equals 562.

That's the number of holes you've played. You've birdied 1 of 252 holes counted for your stats. How would "1 birdie in 1758 strokes" work exactly?

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

Thank you, anyone, for any clarification on this.  It isn't worth my time entering all of the statistics if only a proportion of them will actually be used for the stats/graphs of the program.  I want the statistics to account for EVERY shot.  As is, it only accounts for ~14% of my total shots, and this 14% does not tell me my TRUE GIR, # birdies, etc.  Thus, the program seems to be misleading.

They're holes played, not strokes. It wouldn't make any sense to list "1 birdie in 1758 strokes."

[BioGolfNebraska]

Originally Posted by iacas

Green rounds are one of your ten best differentials and, thus, are one of the rounds used to calculate your handicap index.

USGA Rules don't specify a time period. Consecutive nine-hole rounds are lumped together.

Because a golfer can play 9 holes, then 86 18-hole rounds, then 9 again, the USGA is fine with this because if you improve substantially the second nine holes your 18-hole score will simply be discarded. But we discard it from the stats because it would be misleading. What if you shoot 45 the first nine, practice a bunch, and then shoot 33? You'd get weird stats.

I think our period is longer than a week. It might be two.

Post a screenshot showing as many rounds as you can (make the window big). They'll be the 10 best of your last 20 differentials.

That's the number of holes you've played. You've birdied 1 of 252 holes counted for your stats. How would "1 birdie in 1758 strokes" work exactly?

They're holes played, not strokes. It wouldn't make any sense to list "1 birdie in 1758 strokes."

Okay, Thank you very much for all the help!  It is the best 10 of the last 20, not the best 10 overall.  That makes a ton more sense.

Sorry, you are obviously correct about the number of strokes.  I have no idea what I was thinking for number of birdies per stroke, that makes zero sense whatsoever.

I still don't understand how there is only 1 birdie recorded, and where the 252 holes comes from.  I have 30 rounds entered.  29 are used for stats.  of the 29, 26 are 9 hole rounds, while 3 are 18 hole rounds.  9x26 =234.  18x3=54.  54 + 234 = 288.   There are 36 holes missing that are not included in the stats.  These must be for 9 hole rounds with greater than 2 weeks between them? I went through and looked and I only have 2 birdies in all of the 288 holes.  1 of them is from a 9 hole round on 5/13/12 (which I followed up with another 9 hole round on 5/15/12).  The other is from 8/19/12 (and it was preceded by a 9 hole round on 8/14/12).  The 8/19/12 and 8/14/12 rounds are both in green, so I am assuming these are actually logged.  Why isn't the earlier round logged in the statistics?  If it means anything, when I open the "statistics" window, it lists 25 rounds, and neither the 5/13/12 or 5/15/12 rounds are included in the list.  Does it make a difference that these were the first two rounds entered?  Does the statistics only use the past 25 rounds?

Thanks for all your help.  I really do enjoy and recommend the program, these are mainly just problems for someone who mostly plays 9 holes at a time.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

I still don't understand how there is only 1 birdie recorded, and where the 252 holes comes from.  I have 30 rounds entered.  29 are used for stats.  of the 29, 26 are 9 hole rounds, while 3 are 18 hole rounds.  9x26 =234.  18x3=54.  54 + 234 = 288.   There are 36 holes missing that are not included in the stats.  These must be for 9 hole rounds with greater than 2 weeks between them? I went through and looked and I only have 2 birdies in all of the 288 holes.  1 of them is from a 9 hole round on 5/13/12 (which I followed up with another 9 hole round on 5/15/12).  The other is from 8/19/12 (and it was preceded by a 9 hole round on 8/14/12).  The 8/19/12 and 8/14/12 rounds are both in green, so I am assuming these are actually logged.  Why isn't the earlier round logged in the statistics?  If it means anything, when I open the "statistics" window, it lists 25 rounds, and neither the 5/13/12 or 5/15/12 rounds are included in the list.  Does it make a difference that these were the first two rounds entered?  Does the statistics only use the past 25 rounds?

No. But check your statistical marker. It's in the preferences. I've got mine set to 2000 so all rounds count.

But I'm guessing that, yes, it's ruling out some rounds played more than 10 or 14 days apart (whatever our method is - I forget).

Edit: it's right in the manual:

First, we support nine-hole rounds, both for handicap calculation and for statistics generation. While handicap calculation follows standard rules (nine-hole rounds are combined for an 18-hole handicap regardless of how far apart they occur), Scorecard combines nine-hole rounds for statistics when theyʼre played within 14 days of each other.

[BioGolfNebraska]

That was it, thank you!  I had my statistical marker set at 5/25/12, so those first few rounds were not included.  Thanks for all your help!

[Subaroo]

Hopefully nobody gets mad at me for jumping in on this thread with this quick question... which is the best program for keeping stats?  This Scorecard 2 thing looks to be about $30, is purchasing something like this really better than just an excel spreadsheet?

[BioGolfNebraska]

Originally Posted by Subaroo

Hopefully nobody gets mad at me for jumping in on this thread with this quick question... which is the best program for keeping stats?  This Scorecard 2 thing looks to be about $30, is purchasing something like this really better than just an excel spreadsheet?

Yes.  It is waaaaay easier than a spreadsheet.  Having an excel spreadsheet that took into account dozens of different courses with several different sets of tees per course while still keeping all of the statistics in order would be a huge mess.  The other benefit of Scorecard 2 is that the creators are active on sandtrap, so there are great answers to questions (as evident by this post).

[Subaroo]

Originally Posted by BioGolfNebraska

Yes.  It is waaaaay easier than a spreadsheet.  Having an excel spreadsheet that took into account dozens of different courses with several different sets of tees per course while still keeping all of the statistics in order would be a huge mess.  The other benefit of Scorecard 2 is that the creators are active on sandtrap, so there are great answers to questions (as evident by this post).

Thanks, Scorecard 2 it is