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Shot a solid 81 yesterday at my work... and guess what:

NOT ONE slice off the tee. as opposed to my 103 earlier in the week where EVERY shot before the 16th hole was a slice. Rolling my wrists on my backswing and downswing has certainly helped and that's what i've been sticking with.

In my stand Bag:

R7 Superquad 10.5* Fujikura REAX 65-S
Hi-Bore XLS 19* Hybrid Dynamic Gold S300
MP-60 4 thru PW Dynamic Gold S300 .588 REG 54* SW Vokey 58* LWSTX Greeny IV putter


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I had a mean slice for about a year, then someone told me I had a Jim Furyk-like backswing and I should round it out. It took a while, but taking my backswing back more horizontal, as opposed to straight up, gave me more control and straighter shots.
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try standing closer to the ball..standing too far can cause you to come in a too inside to out swing but never closes the clubface. tell me if it works dude.

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i find that many of the instructional videos on www.golflink.com really help!

I had a terrible problem pushing the ball, and this site really helped.
in the bag:
R580XD 10.5°
Rescue Dual 19°
Titleist 755 4-PW
Vokey Black Nickel 54.10° Vokey Oil Can 60.08° Circa 62 No. 2 Charcoal Mist

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lol so i ridded myself of the Slice.. now i gotta stop pulling my drives ha.

In my stand Bag:

R7 Superquad 10.5* Fujikura REAX 65-S
Hi-Bore XLS 19* Hybrid Dynamic Gold S300
MP-60 4 thru PW Dynamic Gold S300 .588 REG 54* SW Vokey 58* LWSTX Greeny IV putter


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Shot a solid 81 yesterday at my work... and guess what:

I believe this is also my problem, rolling the wrists seems to help, you would think id be good at it from my cricket days but anyway.


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I have/had a bad slice, I seem to correct it, then it comes back, it ticks me off bc when I get off the tee well I end up having such a better game bc my confidence is up, I think I try to crush the ball and end up turning my hips to quick, so I am trying to take a more relaxed swing and roll my hands over, any more tips would be greatly appreciated

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Rolling the wrists in the backswing is a bad idea. Your right wrist should hinge, your left then cocks, rolling leads to a shank!

Driver- Geek Dot Com This! 12 degree Matrix Ozik Xcon 6 Stiff
Adams Tour Issue 4350 Dual Can Matrix Ozik Xcon 5

Hybrids- Srixon 18 deg
Srixon 21 deg Irons- Tourstage Z101 3-PW w/Nippon NS Pro 950 GH - Stiff Srixon i701 4-PW w/ Nippon NS Pro 950 GH-Stiff MacGregor...


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I'm a straight shot with 40 year old blade irons but my Pro-recommended Taylormade R580 driver slices every time. I got a few good shots off of it once for a few days after some lessons but then it's been right back to slicing.

What is the difference between a driver swing and an iron swing? I know I'm coming outside to in but I can't stop. Part of me wonders whether the driver is too long for me (5'10", driver reaches 3" past my navel). Part of me thinks that the guy at the sporting goods store unloaded something on me that is more technical a club than I am ready for.

I tried rolling my wrists but didn't feel like I was getting a natural swing with the "falling club head" feeling I remember from my lessons. I try keeping my left arm close and this helps a little I can't really rotate like I do with the irons and I can't figure out why.

I don't want to pay for lessons again - can anyone point to a good illustration of a proper swing with a large-clubhead driver, or a list of common mistakes with same? Is there a technique specific to this type of large-head driver that I am just missing out on?

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What is the difference between a driver swing and an iron swing?

The swing itself should be mechanically the same for both iron and driver where if you stood there without a club and pretended to swing, that swing would be the same.

The only difference is that you are sweeping the ball off the tee with your driver and hitting down on the ball with your irons. But this difference really is due in part by where the ball is teed up in relation to your stance. A driver should be teed up inline with your left heel (right-handed player) and on iron shots the ball teed/placed just left of center of your stance. A technique specific to these 'large-headed' drivers would only be that the ball is teed up a little higher than with smaller headed drivers used in the past. I tee it up so that the top half of the ball is above the crown of the driver at address.

What's In my bag:

Driver: TaylorMade R5 Dual 9.5* UST Proforce V2 77g S
3Wood: Mizuno F-60 13.5* Mizuno Exsar 75S
Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro 3/4 Aldila VS Proto 80SIrons: Adams Pro Forged (5-PW) True Temper Black Gold SWedges: Cleveland 588 (3) 50, 588 (DSG) 54 & 60Putter: Ping i-Series Craz-EBalls:.....


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