Least Favorite Player

[tmf9]

Originally Posted by AmazingWhacker

I don't hate Fowler but what does it say about younger people today.  .that they are attracted by somebody who is heavily marketed but rarely wins?  Younger people are dumbasses, lol.

Perhaps it has something to do with the vast amount of Parody on the PGA tour now.  Really you could say about 99% of tour pros "rarely win"  Younger people like Fowler because he has a personality (something most tour players don't show) he dresses flashy in a way they can relate to, (not the same boring khakis, bland shirt, and bland shoes)  and while he's only won once I think he certainly has the potential to win 3 or 4 majors before he's done. with his career.  The reason Fowler is heavily marketed is because he CAN be heavily marketed.  He's not going to be a Tiger or even a Rory or Phil but he can be a very good golfer.

[Golfingdad]

Perhaps it has something to do with the vast amount of Parody on the PGA tour now.  Really you could say about 99% of tour pros "rarely win"  Younger people like Fowler because he has a personality (something most tour players don't show) he dresses flashy in a way they can relate to, (not the same boring khakis, bland shirt, and bland shoes)  and while he's only won once I think he certainly has the potential to win 3 or 4 majors before he's done. with his career.  The reason Fowler is heavily marketed is because he CAN be heavily marketed.  He's not going to be a Tiger or even a Rory or Phil but he can be a very good golfer.

Parity. Although with the new Dufnering craze and the golf boys, there tends to be a fair amount of parody on tour as well ... i just don't think that has a lot to do with Fowler not winning more. :)

[Harmonious]

Originally Posted by tmf9

Perhaps it has something to do with the vast amount of Parody on the PGA tour now.

par·o·dy

1: a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule

2: a feeble or ridiculous imitation

par·i·ty

1: the quality or state of being equal or equivalent

[SoundandFury]

Wai[quote name="jimmyc" url="/t/65690/least-favorite-player#post_823826"]Rick Martin said: "I think players like Fowler, Olesen, and Jonas Blixt bring a much needed flair to the PGA."    Just like tatoo's bring a much needed flair to the NBA................Not [/quote] Wait, let me guess...this is coming from a chubby middle aged or older dude who still thinks pleated khakis look good and wears his polo sleeves down to his elbows? And says "not"....

[SCfanatic35]

Ricky Barnes.  Only because of the style of hat he wears most of the time.

[jimmyc]

Barnes looks like a house painter out there

[jimmyc]

Originally Posted by SoundandFury

Wai

Wait, let me guess...this is coming from a chubby middle aged or older dude who still thinks pleated khakis look good and wears his polo sleeves down to his elbows?

And says "not"....

5' 8" 157#

But yup, I like khakis and loose cotton shirts.

Tatoo's.............NOT!

[tmf9]

Originally Posted by Harmonious

par·o·dy

1: a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule

2: a feeble or ridiculous imitation

par·i·ty

1: the quality or state of being equal or equivalent

oops...

[460CompMark]

what do yall think of Ryan Moore's outfits?  freaking buttoned long sleeve dress shirt with a vest and skinny tie?  wtf?  then he rolls up the arms on the shirt, LOL

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by 460CompMark

what do yall think of Ryan Moore's outfits?  freaking buttoned long sleeve dress shirt with a vest and skinny tie?  wtf?  then he rolls up the arms on the shirt, LOL

Just saw him at two tournaments here in FLA and he wasn't wearing any of that......

[stoverny]

Not ragging on Garrigus, but when I think about donating to charity, I rarely say, "You know what group of people desperately needs help? PGA Tour caddies."

[dfreuter415]

While he is not my least favorite player, Tiger Woods demeanor on the course is, at times, objectionable.

I coached high school golf for a number of years over the last three decades, and current players on the PGA tour have a huge influence on the young golfer. When Tiger lets go an  f-bomb or tosses a club, he is sending a message that it is okay to act like this when you miss hit a shot. My goal, as a coach, is to let these young men know that I will accept nothing less than gentlemanly behavior on the golf course at all times.

So, then my high school golfers will take the mixed messages and ask themselves, "Who is more successful, our high school golf coach, or Tiger Woods?"

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that their conduct will occasionally bring a reprimand from me, but the guys, to their credit, after a heart to heart talk, will understand that their actions, whether it be tossing a club or salty language, has no place on the golf course.

I will say that I do admire the discipline and professionalism that Mr. Woods exhibits, but I have a difficult time rooting for him to win, because of the objectionable traits that he occasionally displays on the course.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by dfreuter415

I coached high school golf for a number of years over the last three decades, and current players on the PGA tour have a huge influence on the young golfer. When Tiger lets go an  f-bomb or tosses a club, he is sending a message that it is okay to act like this when you miss hit a shot. My goal, as a coach, is to let these young men know that I will accept nothing less than gentlemanly behavior on the golf course at all times.

You know, there's one key difference: Tiger Woods isn't playing high school golf. :P

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by dfreuter415

While he is not my least favorite player, Tiger Woods demeanor on the course is, at times, objectionable.

I coached high school golf for a number of years over the last three decades, and current players on the PGA tour have a huge influence on the young golfer. When Tiger lets go an  f-bomb or tosses a club, he is sending a message that it is okay to act like this when you miss hit a shot. My goal, as a coach, is to let these young men know that I will accept nothing less than gentlemanly behavior on the golf course at all times.

So, then my high school golfers will take the mixed messages and ask themselves, "Who is more successful, our high school golf coach, or Tiger Woods?"

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that their conduct will occasionally bring a reprimand from me, but the guys, to their credit, after a heart to heart talk, will understand that their actions, whether it be tossing a club or salty language, has no place on the golf course.

I will say that I do admire the discipline and professionalism that Mr. Woods exhibits, but I have a difficult time rooting for him to win, because of the objectionable traits that he occasionally displays on the course.

So nothing less than perfection will satisfy you?  You set a hard standard to maintain.  Tiger didn't invent those actions which you find so reprehensible, and in fact is not as bad as a few others I've watched.  While I admire your general direction, I don't believe in stifling emotion.  While yelling out f-bombs is unacceptable to me, an occasional muttered epithet is not necessarily unwarranted, and sometimes a celebratory fist pump is appropriate.  Carried to extremes such behavior should be curtailed, but emotion is a part of competition, and some players are better at concealing emotion than others.

Jack was usually able to control his emotions until the end, or near the end, of the round or tournament, while Tiger is more demonstrative at the moment when the incident occurs.  Different people, different personalities, and maybe just as key to the issue, different generations - both unarguably great players.

I'm from Jack's generation and as such I don't care for acting out on the course any more than you do.  But I'm still a fan of Tiger, the player, and understand that the game has evolved a slightly different environment for this generation.  His occasional outbursts don't really bother me.

[tmf9]

I think we need to give the "pga tour players shouldn't cuss because its ungentleman like" case a rest.  My Grandma had a first cousin that used to play on tour in the 70's (almost won the masters a couple times) and my Granddad use to tell me he had one of the worst mouths he ever heard in his life ESPECIALLY on the golf course.  People swear in every sport, hell baseball players even cuss in the homerun derby, and if you ever watch Kevin Garnett closely he say f*** about 20 times a game, and half the time he's talking to his self.  If someone chooses not to cuss on a golf course thats fine, but don't get mad at me because I do.  As the OP said cussing is fun!

[Wansteadimp]

They all need to take lessons from Johan Edfors!!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Wansteadimp

They all need to take lessons from Johan Edfors!!

Wow. That guy knows how to snap a club.

[Deryck Griffith]

Originally Posted by Wansteadimp

They all need to take lessons from Johan Edfors!!

Thank you.  This proves that Tiger isn't unique and MANY other players show emotion on the golf course.  I love the emotion.  I want to know that the golfers I'm watching on a week by week basis are TRYING to win.  There are a number of golfers out there who go through the motions and play "good enough" to grab paychecks.  Screw that....I want grinders, I want passion, I want effort and usually, these are the guys who we see react in such fashion.

Originally Posted by dfreuter415

While he is not my least favorite player, Tiger Woods demeanor on the course is, at times, objectionable.

I coached high school golf for a number of years over the last three decades, and current players on the PGA tour have a huge influence on the young golfer. When Tiger lets go an  f-bomb or tosses a club, he is sending a message that it is okay to act like this when you miss hit a shot. My goal, as a coach, is to let these young men know that I will accept nothing less than gentlemanly behavior on the golf course at all times.

So, then my high school golfers will take the mixed messages and ask themselves, "Who is more successful, our high school golf coach, or Tiger Woods?"

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that their conduct will occasionally bring a reprimand from me, but the guys, to their credit, after a heart to heart talk, will understand that their actions, whether it be tossing a club or salty language, has no place on the golf course.

I will say that I do admire the discipline and professionalism that Mr. Woods exhibits, but I have a difficult time rooting for him to win, because of the objectionable traits that he occasionally displays on the course.

If your "High School" players are acting out, then their parents and YOU aren't doing YOUR jobs.  That has nothing to do with Tiger Woods.  Are you seriously going to tell me that this is the first time in High School history that kids have acted out when they fail? Forget Golf.  What about Basketball, Baseball, Hockey?  Any sport?  Gimme a friggin break.  It's your job and the parents job to teach your kids how to act.  Not professionals who are playing for the highest stakes.  Tiger Woods is trying to be the best who's ever played while everyone is doubting him.  He has something to prove, to accomplish.  His stakes are at extreme high levels...so if he hits a poor shot, he has a right to be pissed off.  He has his legacy on the line...