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a while back I was perusing articles on how to "chip"  and found one that described various methods for making green side chips. One such method discussed was using "drastic" wrist flip action which is NOT normally recommended but I practiced with anyway at home until I got quite comfortable with it (as well as the more accepted methods taught by the recognized instructors). Anyway...the other day at the course I found myself with a shot maybe ten yards or so from the green. The ball had landed right on the edge of a pond with "reeds" right up to the waters edge leaving absolutely no room at all for a backswing or even a flop shot. There was a 45 degree slope up to the green maybe 5 ft high.  I took my Lob wedge, narrow stance and simply cocked my wrist up abruptly back and then again forward (flipping for lack of better word).  Much to my amazement, the ball leaped high, landed soft, and released right up to pin ,which was also pretty tight to the edge of the green.  I really would not call it flipping, but I guess "all in the wrists" stroke without any other movement.

I am not saying I would attempt this again, but this time it certainly worked.  "even a blind squirrel yadda yadda".....

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My regular golf partner flips his wrists all the time on short game shots and is money from anywhere. I just don't get it!

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Originally Posted by Bo the Golfer

My regular golf partner flips his wrists all the time on short game shots and is money from anywhere. I just don't get it!

well, that's why its called "risky" but with a little practice it is not really that intimidating, just takes a little confidence. Its also one that I would not want to "ingrain" but a shot to remember in your repertoire.  Same could be said for the "low runner" hitting under trees e.t.c.  ball back, restricted, maintaining "low" release, quiet legs.

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Originally Posted by Hacker James

a while back I was perusing articles on how to "chip"  and found one that described various methods for making green side chips. One such method discussed was using "drastic" wrist flip action which is NOT normally recommended but I practiced with anyway at home until I got quite comfortable with it (as well as the more accepted methods taught by the recognized instructors). Anyway...the other day at the course I found myself with a shot maybe ten yards or so from the green. The ball had landed right on the edge of a pond with "reeds" right up to the waters edge leaving absolutely no room at all for a backswing or even a flop shot. There was a 45 degree slope up to the green maybe 5 ft high.  I took my Lob wedge, narrow stance and simply cocked my wrist up abruptly back and then again forward (flipping for lack of better word).  Much to my amazement, the ball leaped high, landed soft, and released right up to pin ,which was also pretty tight to the edge of the green.  I really would not call it flipping, but I guess "all in the wrists" stroke without any other movement.

I am not saying I would attempt this again, but this time it certainly worked.  "even a blind squirrel yadda yadda".....

I do this when i have a good uphill chip, meaning my lead foot is higher than my back foot. Basically i hinge the club and try to hit the ball first unhinging. This pops the ball into the air.

As for normal chipping, for me its like a putter stroke, keeping my arms extended from my body, maintaining the V formed by shoulders and hands, with a slight hinge in the wrist and some slight float.

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That's how I hit a flop. Super wristy, almost an exaggerated flip. I have no idea if its technically sound and I've only started doing it this season but it works pretty well for me. I do feel like my pivot drives back through the ball but my wrists fully release before the ball (at least I think that's what's happening.)

My chipping feels totally different, I feel a bit of lag coming through the ball.

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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

That's how I hit a flop. Super wristy, almost an exaggerated flip. I have no idea if its technically sound and I've only started doing it this season but it works pretty well for me. I do feel like my pivot drives back through the ball but my wrists fully release before the ball (at least I think that's what's happening.)

My "flop" is wide and slow.  I set up with a wide stance with lofted wedge, and take the club back to 3 o'clock (waist high with hands) and forward to 9 o'clock. Works well, every time. If I need more distance, I simply take longer club, but maintain same arc and speed.

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