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Does anyone here spend much time working/reviewing a specific tour player's swing? I ask because I'm curious if its helped and who you think is a good model. Lately I've been spending some time watching videos of Steve Strickers swing because it seems like a very fundamental, basic swing that could help me remember to stay within myself. Doesnt look like he trys to swing hard, good tempo, etc. Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by dataris17

Does anyone here spend much time working/reviewing a specific tour player's swing? I ask because I'm curious if its helped and who you think is a good model.

Lately I've been spending some time watching videos of Steve Strickers swing because it seems like a very fundamental, basic swing that could help me remember to stay within myself. Doesnt look like he trys to swing hard, good tempo, etc.

Any thoughts?

I am sure you will soon receive better advice from one of the Professional Trainers on this forum. Steve Strickers swing would certainly be one to emulate. As are Fred Couples and Ernie Els.  I have self described what I try to do is a combo of  Faldo/Stricker/Lehman. I try to have Faldo's set up, Stricker's take away, and Lehman's delayed turn and slight "hip slide" trigger. (not really a slide, but merely a "bump" for lack of a better word motion.).

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I feel like it helps have that mental visual of what you're trying to achieve and i see Strickers swing and think that it seems attainable compared to trying to swing like Dustin Johnson or something for an opposite example.

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that's weird. I had received a post from you in my spam folder but it does not appear here. You were saying something about although its good to hear from a professional you welcomed how certain swings "felt" to others. Anyway, I am sure you will get more responses from the guys who have been here longer than I.

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Originally Posted by dataris17

Does anyone here spend much time working/reviewing a specific tour player's swing? I ask because I'm curious if its helped and who you think is a good model.

Yep we looked at the best players from the past 100 years and came up with this

http://thesandtrap.com/t/55426/introducing-five-simple-keys

http://purestrike5sk.com/

There is a difference between observing commonalities of the best players and trying to model yourself after a player.  I would advise against the later because then it becomes about making the swing look like a certain player or hitting similar alignments in the hope that "If I look like so and so, I'll hit it better".  When probably all the player needs to do is work on one thing (their priority piece), understand their tendency and go play better golf.  I like using tour players as examples for certain pieces, as a basis for comparison and understanding component relationships.

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Originally Posted by Hacker James

that's weird. I had received a post from you in my spam folder but it does not appear here. You were saying something about although its good to hear from a professional you welcomed how certain swings "felt" to others. Anyway, I am sure you will get more responses from the guys who have been here longer than I.

Yeah I wanted to delete that post, because I realized I misread your response but it wouldn't let me so I edited.


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When probably all the player needs to do is work on one thing (their priority piece), understand their tendency and go play better golf.

Well put.

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