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unorthodox but it might work for you,,,,(or not)

the set up: narrow stance feet close together, club and shaft centered.

with knees flexed, laterally shift hip to the left, club grounded. You will then have a forward leaning shaft angle with both

knees just left of the ball. Eyes and head over the ball.  Your body will have "k" shape

take away: keeping elbows tucked into the torso, shift hips and knees (maintaining flex), swinging club,

maintaining the same angle   back to the right (reverse "k").

forward swing: shift lower body (hips) back to the left, club lagging until impact  Check at about 8 o'clock. Arms will have straightened by then. Hold.

swing thought:  Tick Tock Hold

For a little more distance, make a slightly longer arc and leg drive.

You are using mostly larger muscles in lower body, very little, if any, hand/wrist action.. Ball should land softly and roll out a little. Effective 10-15 yards and in. While I do not advocate this as your normal swing, I find it good as an alternative measure when things go haywire and nothing else seems to work.

Try it.....You don't see it much any more, but it is not unlike the "leg drives" of the past, but in miniature. See Johnny Miller.

Caveat: some of the swing gurus will probably say I am full of it...but try it and make up your own mind.

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I have a similar short pitch method. Narrow stance, feet angled about 45 degrees away from the ball, ball way back in the stance just behind the back heel, wrists cocked, and just bring the club back and through with the shoulders.

I've chipped in quite a few this way, and hit a couple pins yesterday with this method.

Do you have a picture of the setup or video? Would make this easier to visualize.

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Originally Posted by Hacker James

unorthodox but it might work for you,,,,(or not)

the set up: narrow stance feet close together, club and shaft centered.

with knees flexed, laterally shift hip to the left, club grounded. You will then have a forward leaning shaft angle with both

knees just left of the ball. Eyes and head over the ball.  Your body will have "k" shape

take away: keeping elbows tucked into the torso, shift hips and knees (maintaining flex), swinging club,

maintaining the same angle   back to the right (reverse "k").

forward swing: shift lower body (hips) back to the left, club lagging until impact  Check at about 8 o'clock. Arms will have straightened by then. Hold.

swing thought:  Tick Tock Hold

For a little more distance, make a slightly longer arc and leg drive.

You are using mostly larger muscles in lower body, very little, if any, hand/wrist action.. Ball should land softly and roll out a little. Effective 10-15 yards and in. While I do not advocate this as your normal swing, I find it good as an alternative measure when things go haywire and nothing else seems to work.

Try it.....You don't see it much any more, but it is not unlike the "leg drives" of the past, but in miniature. See Johnny Miller.

Caveat: some of the swing gurus will probably say I am full of it...but try it and make up your own mind.

"I don't get the yips often, but when I do..........."   (be thirsty my friends).+

Not my thing, i don't think i feel comfortable contorting my body that way for chips. It doesn't seem that applicable if you face some weird lies.

For me, i like to keep my weight forward, including my upper body. A tiny bit of wrist hinge in the backswing, then just rotate through the ball, clubhead will drop on the ball. Keep the follow through short to make sure you don't flip. I never play the ball behind my feet or knees. Always in the middle of my stance or forward. That far back brings in the leading edge to much. Even on my chips

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