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Currently I am playing Cleveland Launcher LPs and I really like them. My iron play has improved quite a bit this year and if I could figure out the rest of my game I know my score would come down.

One thing I am really working on is hitting a draw. I can hit a fairly consistent draw with most of my irons but with these clubs I just don't get the feel and a lot of times I miss the green just to the right because it does not draw as much as I thought it would. I realize that my ball-striking is a factor in this, but I just don't get the feedback I need from these clubs...

So, what are some irons that I should consider for my next set? I am not too concerned about price but I would like to keep it in the $500 or less range. One set I have looked at is the Cleveland CG4. Would that be a logical progression? Would they have more feel than the Launchers but still have some forgiveness?

Another set I have looked at is the TM RAC 0S2, again, would these be a logical progression or would they be very similar to the Launchers?

What I am looking for is forgiveness and feel!

Thanks!

What's in the Bag

Driver: HiBore 10.5* ProLaunch Blue 65s
Hybrid: No Fear 3i
Irons: Launcher LP 4-PW Harmonized 50* GWAmerican Standard 56* SWStriker by Golf Trends 60* LobPutter: Pro Response bladeBall: Tour Fire


Posted
good post, i have the same irons you have and would like to upgrade in a year or 2. i think the RAC is similiar to the launchers. look for a iron that has a clubhead that isnt as long as the launchers, that should help you shape your shots. also look for something that doesnt have as large of a cavity in the back. you should look at the CG gold if you want to stay cleveland, if not look at some mizunos.

In my wasabe green ozone bag:

Hibore 9.5° w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft Driver

G10 15° 1H w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft G10 18° 2H w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft T-Zoid Pro 3-PW S300 CG10 52° 2 Dot Black Pearl CG10 56° 2 Dot Black Pearl Newport 2 TerylliumLow Score = 88


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When it comes to playability, the CG4's will be a step up from your launchers. Although, keep in mind, the trade-off for playability is generally forgiveness. So with the CG4's your mishits could be punished more.

One thing I would recommend is to go to a good club fitter, and get a comprehensive evaluation. A trained fitter can measure all the attributes of your swing, and match you with a perfect set of irons (think eharmony.com, but with golf clubs). One thing a club fitter can determine, is how consistently you can strike the ball; you can then use this info to choose the optimal balance of forgiveness/playability.
"There is no miracle tip. Fix your swing."

In the bag:
Sumo2 w/ Aldila VS Proto 60g S
Halo 2h Apex Pro 4-PW Vokey 2 52.08/56.10/60.04 Red X #3 34" Tour Deep

Posted
My regular playng partner is about a 5 handicap. I think we would all agree that's pretty good. He plays with Cobra FP irons, with the graphite shaft, stiff flex. He can hit a draw, a fade, a knockdown, or just about anything else with these irons. And, he says, they are very forgiving. If I hadn't bought the irons I currently have, and these were available when I was buying ( they weren't ), I would sure have given them serious consideration.

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In the Bag:
Driver: :TaylorMade: RBZ 9.5 Reg Flex
3 Wood :TaylorMade: RBZ Reg Flex
Hybrid: Ping G25 Hybrids 17*, 20*, 23*

Irons:Ping G25 5-Gap Wedge, Sr Flex, Vokey 56.14 Spin Mill NS Pro Reg, Flex

Putter: Bobby Grace Center Shaft 32"


Posted
When it comes to playability, the CG4's will be a step up from your launchers. Although, keep in mind, the trade-off for playability is generally forgiveness. So with the CG4's your mishits could be punished more.

I agree with getting fitted, I am just looking for some suggestions as to which irons might fall into the game improvement category but still have feel and workability

What's in the Bag

Driver: HiBore 10.5* ProLaunch Blue 65s
Hybrid: No Fear 3i
Irons: Launcher LP 4-PW Harmonized 50* GWAmerican Standard 56* SWStriker by Golf Trends 60* LobPutter: Pro Response bladeBall: Tour Fire


Posted
I agree with getting fitted, I am just looking for some suggestions as to which irons might fall into the game improvement category but still have feel and workability

One thing a club fitter can do, is to put a sticker on your club face which "marks" the club face where you make contact with the ball. This can be used to see if you are making good (and consistent) contact. This is one way you can tell if you are striking the ball well. The other way, of course, being how you hit the ball on the course.

"There is no miracle tip. Fix your swing."

In the bag:
Sumo2 w/ Aldila VS Proto 60g S
Halo 2h Apex Pro 4-PW Vokey 2 52.08/56.10/60.04 Red X #3 34" Tour Deep

Posted
Ignites would probably work, they are under 500 and quite a bit of forgiveness, but just a little workability. Enough for a 15 or higher.

In the bag:

Driver: F-Speed 12*
3 Wood: r7 draw
5 Wood: F-SpeedHybrid: a3 boxerIrons: Ignite 4-PWWedges: 53 Phil Rogers, vokey 56, 588 60Putter: Victoria or Puku belly


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A friend of mine just emailed me and a guy he works with is selling a set of Mizuno MX-25's for a good price. They are not brand new, but I think he said he only hit them in the store, so they are basically brand new. The thing is, they are already fit to my exact specs with the exception of the shaft, they have regular flex, I use stiff flex... So if the price was right I would have no problem getting good shafts put in them...

Now, I know these are forged so they may be more of a players iron, but the description says they are forgiving, would these be in my ballpark? I won't buy them until I get a chance to hit some, but I am just curious as to how "difficult" these would be to hit compared to my game improvement irons?

Thanks!

What's in the Bag

Driver: HiBore 10.5* ProLaunch Blue 65s
Hybrid: No Fear 3i
Irons: Launcher LP 4-PW Harmonized 50* GWAmerican Standard 56* SWStriker by Golf Trends 60* LobPutter: Pro Response bladeBall: Tour Fire


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