Hogan's Pivot - 'Right Loading' Discussion

[Phil McGleno]

Not really the topic is it?-SOmetimes drafts dont post. Might be a bug in the site but its OT here. [quote name="billchao" url="/t/78296/hogans-pivot-right-loading-discussion/18#post_1085678"] I don't see any other deleted post. Are you sure you posted it instead of saving it as a draft or something?[/quote] Seriously? [quote name="natureboy" url="/t/78296/hogans-pivot-right-loading-discussion/18#post_1085645"]Re. Post# 31:[/quote] SO? He was wrong too. ITs not like Hogan had the technology or understanding we have now. He wasnt a God. He probably was not even as good a player as Phil Mickelson. The guys he had to beat back then were not nearly as good as the guys playing now. Stop being an old person @natureboy -we've advanced and if youre looking 50 years back for the answer youre giving up a lot and wasting your time. [quote name="natureboy" url="/t/78296/hogans-pivot-right-loading-discussion/18#post_1085645"]I acknowledge the many differences, but I think the baseball stuff is relevant to Hogan, because he studied baseball swings in developing / working on his swing, and used some baseball analogies in his writings.[/quote] NO shit sherlock! Guy said it above-If you shifted your COM outside your foot youd fall over. THAT IS NOT JUST A SWAY. You seem like one of the least qualified people to talk about this kind of stuff since a) You see the need to type that out as if it's even remotely possible to do that and still hit a baseball or golf ball and b) you havent actually studied anything and are trying to do it all with pictures.-You dont seem to understand the actual science. [quote name="natureboy" url="/t/78296/hogans-pivot-right-loading-discussion/18#post_1085645"]I didn't say a golfer or baseball player would shift the c/g - COM outside the right (rear) foot. That would be a 'sway' bad for both types of swing pivot. I was saying that it was possible to shift the c/g - COM appreciably without a sway. [/quote] I understand a bit-Not as much as Erik (caught myself almost typed C!) but clearly more than you. Moving the COM outside your foot is a "sway" ha ha ha. No thats an Americas Funniest Home Video is what that is!

[boogielicious]

Not really the topic is it?-SOmetimes drafts dont post. Might be a bug in the site but its OT here.

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Originally Posted by billchao

I don't see any other deleted post. Are you sure you posted it instead of saving it as a draft or something?

Seriously?

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Originally Posted by natureboy

Re. Post# 31:

SO? He was wrong too. ITs not like Hogan had the technology or understanding we have now. He wasnt a God. He probably was not even as good a player as Phil Mickelson. The guys he had to beat back then were not nearly as good as the guys playing now. Stop being an old person @natureboy-we've advanced and if youre looking 50 years back for the answer youre giving up a lot and wasting your time.

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Originally Posted by natureboy

I acknowledge the many differences, but I think the baseball stuff is relevant to Hogan, because he studied baseball swings in developing / working on his swing, and used some baseball analogies in his writings.

NO shit sherlock! Guy said it above-If you shifted your COM outside your foot youd fall over. THAT IS NOT JUST A SWAY. You seem like one of the least qualified people to talk about this kind of stuff since a) You see the need to type that out as if it's even remotely possible to do that and still hit a baseball or golf ball and b) you havent actually studied anything and are trying to do it all with pictures.-You dont seem to understand the actual science.

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Originally Posted by natureboy

I didn't say a golfer or baseball player would shift the c/g - COM outside the right (rear) foot. That would be a 'sway' bad for both types of swing pivot. I was saying that it was possible to shift the c/g - COM appreciably without a sway.

I understand a bit-Not as much as Erik (caught myself almost typed C!) but clearly more than you.

Moving the COM outside your foot is a "sway" ha ha ha. No thats an Americas Funniest Home Video is what that is!

What about Old Tom Morris??  How was his pivot?

[jclark]

Old Tom Morris was known to have a perfect swing while playing silly podkins.

[natureboy]

He asked me not to quote or tag him and I didn't. I respected his request. I think that was pretty reasonable way to address the points brough up. He should have received no notifications unless he was still subscribed to the thread in which case any post I made with or without reference would have done the same.

The deleted post contained no active links either and there was no specific reason given so I reproduced the post. Now my account has been effectively disabled.

I think I followed the rules of the forum. Sorry if you think I'm being an arsehole, but I don't. If politely defending an opinion that disagrees with mods is not allowed, then disappointing to see. Other than arguing a few points, I think there's a lot of good information here, and I've said so as well.

I don't think I was being an arsehole, but sorry if I was. I thought referencing the post was a reasonable way to respect the request not to quote or tag and still address the points raised. There's no way he should have received any notifications unless he was still subscribed to the thread. To me it appears I am guilty of expressing disagreeing opinions and trying to reasonably defending them. Disappointing only in that I had expected better. (sorry for the triple post but my editing privileges have been changed - effectively disabling the account - and I didn't even see that the previous post attempts had worked) Please post how to unsubscribe as I don't see that option in my profile. Do you just turn off the notifications?

[iacas]

@natureboy : You're dead wrong about your account being modified in any way, shape, or form. 100% wrong. I wanted that outside the spoiler tags, even though it's OT, so that future visitors to this thread don't just see your allegations without a response. The rest of my response is in the spoiler.

He asked me not to quote or tag him and I didn't. I respected his request.

I basically asked that you leave me out of the conversation. You seem to have missed that and taken my request too literally.

Now my account has been effectively disabled.

Absolutely nothing has been done to your account. I cannot be more clear about this: nobody has done anything to your account.

If politely defending an opinion that disagrees with mods is not allowed, then disappointing to see.

To continue to be clear, this is in no way a situation of "disagreeing with mods."

To me it appears I am guilty of expressing disagreeing opinions and trying to reasonably defending them. Disappointing only in that I had expected better.

You are wrong. I simply wanted out of the thread - I plainly stated that it was "your thread" from that point onward. I felt as though my points were falling on deaf ears and I saw little to no value in discussing it further with you (for several reasons). So I said " The thread is all yours now" and then asked that you not respond to me.

(sorry for the triple post but my editing privileges have been changed - effectively disabling the account - and I didn't even see that the previous post attempts had worked)

Again, incorrect. I don't know what you saw, but since your posts were posted as BBCode while your previous posts were rich text, I assume you typed these on a phone or iPad or something and the others on your computer, which may have led you to believe something was different, when again, in fact, nothing has been done at all to you or your account.

I cannot be more clear about this: nobody (no moderator, no admin, etc.) did anything to disable or diminish your account. You have exactly the same standing, status, privileges, etc. that you had this morning, yesterday, and the day before (and likely ever since you achieved "Established" status). The exact same.

The only moderation that's been done in the past few hours is that I (within the past few minutes) deleted your first and second posts and merged any unique content into a single post above.

You owe us an apology for your assumptions that anything was done to your account, but I will not expect one to be coming. You made a mistake; we get that. But perhaps in the future you'll hold off on making such strong allegations since you're basically batting .000 on them, mmmmmkay?

P.S. http://thesandtrap.com/t/78679/toolbar-disappeared - I suspect you were simply posting during a time when the site was having an issue loading the toolbar.

Now, then, the thread is yours to do with as you see fit. I simply ask that you do not involve me in any way. Have at it to your heart's content… just leave me out of it.

[natureboy]

Do have to apologize to mods (regarding account issues experienced in this thread ) as subsequent experience points up to a video / memory issue or a DDOS while I was in the editor. The video ads are a little memory intensive, I think.