New to hitting a draw- want to hit it just becauseand it isnt always

[armymedic2]

So i switched to stack and tilt, and have begun hitting a nice draw off the tee. Trouble with that is i am hitting a draw when i shouldnt sometimes. Mental errors. Yesterday i shot a 39 on the front and then starting playing with things on the back and ended with a 46 like hitting a big draw around a dogleg to find out it was an optical illusion and i hit a great ball right into the trees. Unfamiliar with the course obviously. But anyway just wanted to lament having a new shot be like a new toy, and cant help but use it even when you shouldnt! But still. 85 is my best this season and i was happy to have it. The draw added distance and helped. Stack and tilt made my ball striking improve quite a bit

[DrvFrShow]

The swing is prone to draws and hooks. Drive more with the hips and your trailing leg to counter it.

[armymedic2]

Good tip thanks. I didnt have any hooks. But a straighter draw would be nicer. Right now the ball is moving about thirty yards. So i have to trust it. I hit one striaght and was in the rough right. Luckily it was a forgiving hole

[JeepXJ98]

Thirty yards of movement right to left? Is it pushing that far right, then returning to the target line, or is it ending up left of your target line?

[Back 9 Bandit]

I stack and tilt on the long irons and woods. Allows me to hit down on the ball with the fairway woods. I don't do this with my irons because they tend to pull left or hook badly. 30 yards is a bit much if your on tight fairways.

[armymedic2]

Yes the thirty yards is push right off the fairway, then returning to center pretty consistently. I am not drawing the irons hardly at all and am happy with that. I use an old taylormade driver that has weights set to draw. I think ill move them back to neutral and see if that takes it to a more normal draw. It is hard to count on it drawing that much. But i want to continue to hit the swing because im driving an honest 250-265 now. 25 yards better than my straight ball old swing

[Opm666]

I have been literally doing the same thing and it drives me crazy I can draw it on command darn near but I can't control how far it draws usually just aim a little more right but over time it becomes a problem..... sigh.

[rkim291968]

I switched to stack and tilt once when I was in deep slump.  I couldn't make it my swing and switched back.   It's easier to hit a consistent draw with normal swing.  Put it another way, I found it hard to hit different shots using S & T.  If S & T works for you, more power to you.

[iacas]

I switched to stack and tilt once when I was in deep slump.  I couldn't make it my swing and switched back.   It's easier to hit a consistent draw with normal swing.  Put it another way, I found it hard to hit different shots using S & T.  If S & T works for you, more power to you.

I mean no offense by this, but you didn't "switch" to the swing. You may have done something a bit differently (and probably not as differently as you think), but you didn't "switch."

I'm saying this not to defend S&T or anything like that, but to continue to try to disavow golfers of the notion that they "switch" to or "try" things out, and then either accept or abandon them based on their results. It's silly to approach golf that way, and does not make you any better. PGA Tour pros can't "try" wholesale swing changes out in a span of an hour or a day or a week or even a month - the average amateur can't do it either. Look at how long it's taken Tiger to incorporate relatively small changes in his swing, and remember he works at it about 10000x harder than average golfers.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

I switched to stack and tilt once when I was in deep slump.  I couldn't make it my swing and switched back.   It's easier to hit a consistent draw with normal swing.  Put it another way, I found it hard to hit different shots using S & T.  If S & T works for you, more power to you.

I mean no offense by this, but you didn't "switch" to the swing. You may have done something a bit differently (and probably not as differently as you think), but you didn't "switch."

No offense taken.  I think your are correct in saying the above.   That's exactly what happened.   Like many things I "tried," it was probably done incorrectly and got my swing into worse shape before I decided to take lessons.

[armymedic2]

S and t works for me. N or at least all the parts i can execute now. I knoe i have some old swing in there still. I can still fade. I can draw. And i can hit striaght. Trouble is just amount of draw. But i am going to work on this alot today

[Moppy]

From what I have read, I am pretty sure that the swing I have developed is S&T like. Probably from getting so much swing advice from this forum. It has certainly gotten rid of my slice very effectively though I still hit a fade. So I googled S&T.; Is it true that in an S&T swing, your hands are not not really forward of the ball de-lofting the club? (Keep your arms straight) I have been adding this lately, and this is the only way I can get the kind of distance with my irons, for example, that averages you read around the net say I should get.

The other thing is that I feel like my legs are just along for the ride in my swing, not affirmatively adding power.  Maybe I am heading down a dead end?

[armymedic2]

What works for me is setting up striaght on the ball. But when i swing through i try to have some lag for speed and that effectively does deloft me. I have a 160 yard 6 iron, and 120 yard 9 iron currently to give you an idea of where i am

[armymedic2]

On the legs thing, they are very active in that the leg leg thrusts up on the downswing, adding power by the bundle. The hip slide seems pretty important to my shots as well, for good contact and therfor power. But i dont have it all nailed down yet. And i am no single digit.