Forearm tension

[Lihu]

12 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

After coming full circle a bit on this . .it was really not my grip pressure . .per say.  The locked elbows at address, for sure . . but mostly it was a conceptual error.  What I was doing was sort of shoving the club to the top of the backswing and then swinging it from there.  What I feel I'm doing now is swinging it to the top.  

A concept I've worked a lot on with my teacher is this idea of a "mini tug of war" that happens just after impact . .where the club is pulling away from you and you're resisting.  I worked really hard on finding this feeling...but I never realized until just recently that I need a mini, mini-tug of war in the back swing, too.  Obviously my arms are whats going to lift the club to the top but I want to feel the force of my swing *pulling* it, too.  Then, when we change directions at the top . .wham!   much faster . .and much more on-plane.   

Sounds good, but what's the "mini-tug-of-war" at the top?

[Rainmaker]

21 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Sounds good, but what's the "mini-tug-of-war" at the top?

It's not at the top . . it's in the first part of the takeaway . .as the club reaches first parallel and starts to move upward . .that's where I want to feel the club pulling my arms out . .vs me shoving them out.  My arms and club pulling slightly backwards . .my center/core pulling slightly forwards against it.  Almost . .but not really . .like the Olympic-style slingshot.  Similar idea but the slingshot would be super exaggerated.  

[Lihu]

9 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

It's not at the top . . it's in the first part of the takeaway . .as the club reaches first parallel and starts to move upward . .that's where I want to feel the club pulling my arms out . .vs me shoving them out.  My arms and club pulling slightly backwards . .my center/core pulling slightly forwards against it.  Almost . .but not really . .like the Olympic-style slingshot.  Similar idea but the slingshot would be super exaggerated.  

Not trying to criticize or anything, but it seems like you're actually "lifting" your arms up during this part of the swing. Seems like the last thing you would feel is the club resisting your movement?

Either that or I'm not visualizing or understanding what you are saying (which is entirely possible)?

[Rainmaker]

4 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Not trying to criticize or anything, but it seems like you're actually "lifting" you arms up during this part of the swing. Seems like the last thing you would feel is the club resisting your movement?

Either that or I'm not visualizing or understanding what you are saying (which is entirely possible)?

Yeah  . .of course the arms are lifting . . .I don't think there's any way to get to the top of the backswing without the arms lifting.  Another phrase I like is "getting to the end of the rope" . . meaning . .that if my arms were somewhat rope-like . .I want to use the centripetal (sic) force of my swing to pull the ropes straight.  

If you've ever seen the trickshot where the guy uses an incredibly whippy shaft . or even a clubhead on a rope . .it's the same idea...except, of course, not so exaggerated.  

In the realm of feels - it's hard to describe things.  What my teacher said to me that "turned the light on" was (standing behind me) . . "it looks like you're trying to hand me the clubhead, not the handle" . . .to which I thought "yeah . .of course I am . .  . .oh . . .wait! . . . "

Edited January 21, 2017 by Rainmaker

[Lihu]

3 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Yeah  . .of course the arms are lifting . . .I don't think there's any way to get to the top of the backswing without the arms lifting.  Another phrase I like is "getting to the end of the rope" . . meaning . .that if my arms were somewhat rope-like . .I want to use the centripetal (sic) force of my swing to pull the ropes straight.  

If you've ever seen the trickshot where the guy uses an incredibly whippy shaft . or even a clubhead on a rope . .it's the same idea...except, of course, not so exaggerated.  

In the realm of feels - it's hard to describe things.  What my teacher said to me that "turned the light on" was (standing behind me) . . "it looks like you're trying to hand me the clubhead, not the handle" . . .to which I thought "yeah . .of course I am . .  . .oh . . .wait! . . . "

My feel is quite different. I barely feel the club weight in my hands.

[Rainmaker]

21 minutes ago, Lihu said:

My feel is quite different. I barely feel the club weight in my hands.

I think if I were able to measure something that actually changed . .what it would be is this . . 

Before . .at around first parallel the clubhead is even with or slightly higher than the handle...ie . .clubhead leading the handle.  

Now . .at around first parallel, the clubhead is lagging slightly behind the handle . .ie . .handle leading the clubhead.  

The actual amount is small . .like an inch or something . . but the difference in feel is big.   

 

This is bad, lol . .kind of like watching Rocky too many times . .I feel like I can't miss it . . . I can't wait to get out on the course and start whipping up on people, lol . ..

Lol, of course . .for obvious reasons . .but wish me luck!

[natureboy]

4 hours ago, Rainmaker said:

the Olympic-style slingshot.

 Did you mean something else, or have I never heard of this?

[Rainmaker]

4 hours ago, natureboy said:

 Did you mean something else, or have I never heard of this?

oh sorry . .I guess it's called Hammer Throw . .not Sling shot, lol.