Single Length Irons Guy

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That's only a couple hours from my house -- I may have been there if I'd realized that this was going on -- please include me in the next outing!

I went through the same experimentation phase with my "standard" clubs when I first began thinking about single length clubs a couple years ago, and as @inthecup mentioned, the results were not good -- the gaps were not good, the swing weights were different (because the head weights were different), lies were wrong, etc. But, I saw enough of an improvement in ball striking (i.e. not hitting fat as often on the long irons) that I tried the Pinhawks (ValueGolf). Aaron @ Value Golf has been selling Pinhawks for a couple years, but increasing demand for single length irons seems to outstrip supply occasionally (resulting in stock-outs). So if you're serious about trying it, sooner would be better than later -- I recently had to wait 30 days to send a contest winner their iron heads because they were completely out and were waiting for their next manufacturing run to be delivered.

I guess it depends on how many things are wrong with a particular swing -- my experience with GolfTec years ago was that they seemed to pick one random thing to work on each lesson. Since I was doing several things wrong in my swing, fixing one thing at a time meant that I went from making (bad) contact to completely mis-hitting the ball for months and months since only parts of the swing were being fixed. If your swing is closer to where it needs to be, working on one thing at a time makes sense, but if you're over-the-top, reverse-pivot, flipping hands, and over-swinging all at the same time, fixing one thing at a time won't work (personal experience). As far as lesson tempo is concerned, it seems to be a function of a) how well you adapt to the swing changes, b) how often you practice between lessons, and c) your personal timeframe for getting better (i.e. weeks/months/years).

Single Length clubs are not intended for professional golfers like Vinsk -- so if you're a 9 handicap or better like he is, don't even try single length clubs because you don't need them. Actually, I believe that single length clubs are a disadvantage for professional golfers since the descent angle is more shallow on the longer irons than "standard" irons, meaning that they don't stop as quickly on the greens as standard long irons. Here's my statistics: Using standard length irons (most of my life): Avg score: low 100's Using single length irons (last 2 years): Avg score: high 80's Clearly I'm not a professional golfer, and I enjoy the game much more scoring in the 80's vs. the 100's -- my happiness is the most important "statistic" in my book (and that's revolutionary enough for me).

By now you've probably heard about Single Length irons -- if I had to describe Single Length irons with one word, it would be: simplicity. There is no intellectual property or new technology involved because single length irons are simply irons with same length shafts, same weight heads, and slightly different lofts — that’s it! You get the benefit of a single swing plane, single swing tempo, and single ball position which simplifies your game and improves your scores. ------------------------------------------------------ Someone once said: "You can sell 50,000 units of any golf related product." Because the golf industry is an easy target for "Gimmick" products (think the square head driver, HammerX, Stand-Up Putter etc.), most people's first reaction to a new golf product is to scream "GIMMICK!" I can tell you from almost two years of personal experience that single length clubs are anything but a gimmick -- with my single length clubs, I can carry my 4-iron 205 yards and stop my full-swing lob wedge within 3 feet (90 yard carry). And yes, those two clubs are EXACTLY the same length (for me, 37.5", about a 'standard' 7-iron length for most golfers).

I believe that it's called a "hail mary"

Yeah, I get that -- I wasn't really clear -- what I was trying to say is that it seems like the longer irons end up 20% shorter and the shorter irons end up 10% shorter, maybe due to the difference in compression that different lofted clubs cause in the range limited balls.

Also keep in mind that a 10-20% shorter ball flight is more noticeable on the longer irons/woods/drivers that on the shorter clubs, probably something to do with how much the ball is compressed by the lower lofted clubs.

I have the same issue (using Chrome) -- I just edit the post and delete everything from the quoted box except the first few lines to fix.

Yeah, he seemed to play better when he was single and had lots of time to practice -- I remember an interview around that time after he won a tournament that he'd been practicing all the time since he didn't have anything else to do. Newly married + $300 million over the next 10 years = less practicing Less practicing + new clubs = less winning

Over the past 20 years of "recreational" golf, I have chosen to ride 95% of the time and have played 18 holes. However, over the past year or so, I've found myself playing more 9 hole rounds and have chosen to walk most of the time (recently invested in a nice push cart). From a pro/con standpoint, walking obviously is more healthy, but I find that I'm not playing as well in general -- what is your preference/experience with walking vs. riding? (Obviously I'm talking about walk-able courses -- there's a course near me where the distance between greens/next tees seems as far as the holes themselves that I would never attempt to walk).

Second that -- I'm guessing that the difference between hitting and missing the green at 100 yards is only a couple degrees of club face open/closed, which is a tiny amount.

Straighten the right knee, but not completely, right? My current instructor tells me not to completely straighten the right leg because it will prevent me from shifting the weight forward properly.

Right on -- did you ever notice that on all nutritional labels in the U.S. that the only ingredient that doesn't have a % daily recommended value is.... sugar. Does this mean that sugar doesn't affect your health and it doesn't matter how much you consume? Absolutely not -- just means that the sugar industry lobbyists have lots of money to throw around to keep that percentage off of nutritional labels. I believe that I read somewhere that the WHO at one time was recommending consuming only 10g of sugar per day and the American Heart Association recommends consuming 36g/25g M/F per day -- next time you go to the grocery store, turn over the box of your favorite processed snack and do the math

Would it make sense for instructors to work on hips first when starting to work with a new student? (I'm not an instructor, just curious because I took a lot of Golftec lessons back in the day and not once did we work on hip tilt)

Thanks for the detailed reply! Did you get those screenshots from GameGolf? Lots of good data! I would like to see the same dispersion chart for your 3 wood off the tee, just for fun I use the "Grint" app, which doesn't show the strokes vs scratch data -- although I now wish that it did! I guess that not using the driver works for me because my "Approach" strokes vs scratch number (iron shots) is much closer to my "Off the Tee" number (3-wood / iron shots) (based on my game, no numbers to back that up unfortunately). Plus I carry the 4-iron 205 and I'm not playing any 205+ yard par3's or 440+ yard par 4's, so I'm still have a chance to hit the green in regulation using my 3-wood off the tee (225 carry) on par 4's and par 5's. Since I use single length clubs, the dispersion pattern of my 4 iron is much closer to the dispersion pattern of my PW than most people, so gaining the extra few clubs distance closer to the green doesn't affect my score as much as it does for others.

I'm right there with you -- I left my driver at home 6 months ago and it never made it's way back into the bag ==> went from 30% fairways in regulation to 70% by doing that. Recently built a set of single length fairway woods (which are 1.5 inches shorter than my old 3 wood) which seem to be the ticket to accuracy with moderate distance (3W=225-230).

Round 2, hole 6 (par 5) @ Wells Fargo, Wesley Bryan hits a drive so far right that he's behind the restrooms, 2 courtesy vans (which he asked to be moved) and a TV camera (also had to be moved). Has to drop around restrooms onto a dirt road. Hits driver off the dirt to the left side of the fairway, hitting a spectator and coming to rest in the pine needles. At this point, the commentators are making fun of him saying that in their entire career, they've never seen a professional golfer have to cross two "lines" (the ropes that hold the spectators back) on a single hole. While setting up to the next shot Wesley jokes to his caddy "Doesn't have to be exact, just get me close" when asking for his distance to the flag. He hits his iron out of the pine needles and through the trees to within a few feet of the hole, then proceeds to nail the putt for a birdie. The commentators wanted to coin this situation a "Wesley", but I'm fairly certain that no one else would be able to pull this off

I would recommend Pinhawk single length irons as a way to try this technology without spending an arm and a leg - you can have a set of 5-PW built for about $250.

Funny! I've stated before that I think that a professional playing single length irons is at a disadvantage vs. the field (vs. being an advantage for mid- to high-handicap amateurs), but that's a discussion for another thread.

If they truly sold out in an hour with no advertising or any other notification that the balls are available in stores, makes you wonder how many employees are snatching them up and selling on eBay :)

Good questions - to simplify: 1. Masters at Augusta 2. Opening round