joro

Todays players, both male and female are a bunch of self centered spoiled brats who make too much money, ignore the rules, especially the time guidelines, ignore warnings and do what they want. Look at Spieth, he takes more time than normal, doesn't care, ignores warnings, and is always on the clock. Just one example but he is never penalized, why? He is just one of many. Now I see his friend Thomas is following suit.

Mark, I think the X14s are a couple of years later than 2001 and they are okay, although as the models went on they got better and I understand the X18s were really good. Personally of the older ones I still have my 2002 GBBs which I got when I was on the staff. An engineer told me just a couple of years ago that they were on of the best Irons they ever made. That of course was before the CF15s which were made using a modified version of the 2002s. They were easy to hit, very accurate, and played like hybrid without a back. I had tried all of them at the time and chose the BBs because they almost hit themselves. I had the 85 gr. RCH Graphite which was one the great Graphite Iron shafts ever.

Xray, there is also another solution. But first we say we can just adjust to the loft and not the number, like hitting the Six when the shot calls for todays Seven. But that will not work although we all say it it is hard to do cause the number is still an ego hurting Six. There was talk at one time of mfgrs. putting the loft on the club rather than a number but I don't know where that idea went. The real answer to it all is to get into a used set that has the modern lofts. I recently bought a set of Callaways for around 300 that had the shafts, lengths and lies I wanted from Callaway Pre Owned. They were 3 yrs old and in like new condition. There is no reason to spend the bucks on a rebuild when you can buy any brand with the specs you want and not have to go through all hassle and expense. Good Luck in whatever you do, but think about it, you don't have to go new for the big bucks when you can go a couple of yrs old for a fraction of the price. like whatever you do and enjoy the game Joro

Xray, first thing is that cost is not a factor. Sure, Callaway and the other big time mfgrs. spend a lot of Money to convince you they are better, but are they? is new always better? sure it makes people feel good to have new, but is it really better. They have jacked the lofts to go farther, but you usually can jack the lofts on what you have and are used to. Shafts can be changed, lengthened if you want them longer, or whatever. If you like what you have why not bring them up to std.today. I have a few sets of new and some old and they are all good. The only difference is I am older and slower and need some help so I play with a set of Wilsons that suit what I can do. The decision is yours, bring what you like up, or get a pretty looking new set. It would amaze you how many really good Golfers and Tour Pros are using older stuff because they like it and are used to it. Whatever you do like what you play with and enjoy the game. By the way, you have a fine combo. in your bag, especially the Burner and Irons. joro

I didn't see my first either, it was over hump on the green and we all thought it went over the Green. Finally a guy walked up to the hole, looked in and asked if I was playing a Hogan. I was. I stlill have that ball.

It is a never ending discussion isn't it.

Jack, nice post.

Yes Lihu Miura has been making clubs for majors for years. I remember way back when they made some of the original Burner Irons for Taylor Made. I have a set of Lefty KZG irons that were forged by Miura. By the way I am a Lefty also.

Mizunos Irons are great. I just got a set of Hot Metals and WOW. First time for me with Mizunos and I am sold on them. I went over the specs I ordered with a fine tooth comb and all is right on. Trouble with Mizuno like Wilson is great Irons and not so great Woods.

Damn, it was't that bad. You guys talk like they used a rock on the end of a tree branch.

All Mfgrs. have found a design that is strong and still get the height most people need. If you want to hit it lower go to a stronger shaft, there is not that much difference anyway. Shaft flexes do vary per mfgr. and ones R is another ones S, or whatever. Fact is if you have a competent fitter get what works best for YOU. Most fitters have no clue. Hit it on a range to actually see what you get and not into a net. Ever hear of a Tour player getting fit in a net? You have to see flight, distance, and direction to really know. I am not knocking the guys that fit, it is just that a lot of them don't get it or know. They are trying but it is an art to do it right.

Go to PING>COM and see. You will find out like most GI Clubs they are strong.

There is an old book called the Search For The Perfect Golf Swing that was the Club Makers Bible in the 60s and still holds true today. It has a ton of info about the swing, stance, etc. but it is the concensus that a Driver should be as light as feels good for speed and Irons as heavy as you can handle for stability, distance and accuracy. A great old good, if you can find one it is full of good stuff, still effective today.

For some reason most think that it would be stone age. I hit many 300 yd Drives in my time with Persimmon and Balata, today that combo feels like Mush, but in the day it was great. The sound and feel was great off the Driver and not the tinny sound of today but a solid Thwack. The Irons weren't much different with the big change coming with PINGs design and of course todays string lofts. My Eye2 PW was 50 degrees, my Wilson C200 today is 44 degrees. The game name is distance. But Wood was not that bad.

The are several reasons for the weight. I learned to play with heavy, but I was really strong in the day and had to have heavy. I used a D7 with a 130 gram X Dynamic tipped 1" and my Grn Victory grip built up 5 wraps. A 150 yard 9 Iron. But today I see some players counterbalancing for a lighter feel saying they get more speed that way. I am hitting Wilson Irons and have two sets, both with 75 gr. shafts and both a half inch long. One set has 43 gr griips at D4 and the other has 62 gr. grips at D1. Both are about equal but I like the fell of the heavier, LOL, one better. So the S/W is bit heavier with the head on the end of a pole. S/W itself is 1pt. equals 2 gr., but on the end of a stick it can be significant. So Bottom Line I think it is about feel.

Thank you for the kind words. I have been having a good time and don't mean to ruffle any Feathers. I look forward to more.

Hi GC, I used to play Pasatiempo a lot in the day. Green Fees were 10 Bucks and 18 had that big deep ditch in front as I remember. Great course, not long but you had to Golf your Ball to score. Thanks for the memories. That was in the 60s.

Well the issue is this, some like the length and some don't. Me?, I am just a relic, but I was a really good player in my day. I played in some PGA events and 2 Majors, so I know a little bit about it. After that I became a Wood Maker for a Major Co. I had the pleasure of making Woods for all the Great Players and was surprised at some of their specs. But, those days are gone and at 78 and after a semi serious stroke, 2 hips, and Open Heart Surgery and just another hack. But I still try and do okay. That is me and it is not good, but I do know a bit about the game and the tools of the trade. Now, to all you straight Ball hitting big hitters I say try Torrey from the Blacks and see how much fun it is. Torrey is one thing, long, straight and because of the length it is a Bombers course, no real trouble just long a straight, perfect for the long Ball hitter, but if cannot hit it over 300 forget it. Even the Blues are long and tough, so let me know how you did and how much unit was. I used to play it twice a week for years when I was younger and it was a great course, not is an impossible course. Long and straight, like a Freeway, does that make it a great course? Enjoy

Phillyk, that is exactly my point, why should the kid with all the shots be considered not in because he is only a 250 hitter. Bring the course, or Ball, or Driver back so his talent can be used. It is like saying he is a great player but should not be there. Shorten it and put some skill into the game other than just raw power. This whole thing is getting out of hand and it is too bad.

9 after 60 yrs, but they all came in a 10 yr period before I got old and feeble. lol They are fun though.

Yes Buckeye, you are right, and the game is a Chinese Fire Drill. Thank you for the opinion.

The biggest difference is in the lofts. Have your clubs bent and then try them, the design is still a favorite. They have made some changes but an Iron is still basically the same thing. Marketing says buy new ones, Whatever you do enjoy the game.

I got it, and I played in those days but don"t look at it the same way. The courses were much shorter so that is what we had and didn't know any better. Wound Balls, wood heads and so on. Take the percentages and we were just as long percentage wise. Our big hitters were our there just like today only not a far ahead. It is about Land, about enjoying the game, I used to love the long courses, maybe 7,000 yrs but I think the biggest thing is land. Augusta is a prime example of having to acquire land on the 13th so they could make it longer, don't add something else to make it tougher like Traps in driving areas, or Heaven forbid add some real rough, just pay Millions for a quarter acre to move the tee back and not affect it one bit. But it is an argument with no answer, the Golf Manufacturers will keep making clubs and Balls longer and it is a given. People all want distance and fast cars. So there is the Forward tees. Enjoy your Golf,, always.

My question is using a Driver or an Iron as an example will you get more distance and control with a heavy S/W or a club that is lower S/W and heavier in the grip end. A lot are now using counterbalancing, Sergio for example. And todays "heavy" clubs are nothing like we had in old days with 130 gram shafts and 13+ oz. O/all weights in the drivers. Irons for the tour pro are not much different today, but the Drivers and Fairways of today are much lighter. Palmer played a driver that was almost 15 oz. But again any opinions about where the weight should be. Keep in mind the head would still way the same but the grip end would be heavier. As an example a 101/2 oz driver with a 65 gram grip and a 49 gr. shaft with a S/W of C5. vs a 25 gr. grip with a D3 S/W. Keep in mind that one S/W is 2 gr. Just curious about what people think.