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The lie relates to the length. If you just change the lie but not the length it is not the same thing. The lie of the Edel was ideal for the longer length of the Edel. It does not mean the Edel's lie is ideal for your shorter putter.

At least you know for certain your exact spec now. Getting the Edel would still be worth it for removing any doubt about your fit. If you adjusted your putter, apart from fixing the lie, you would need to lengthen the shaft as well. Lengthening the shaft is complicated because it changes the swingweight, and different swingweights suit different lengths, and the replacement putter shaft may not be available in the weight you want.

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A SAM Puttlab fitting is they let you try a bunch of different putters with different heads, necks, shafts, weights and markings until you discover which one gives the right data and performance. An Edel fitting is they keep switching heads, necks, shafts, weights and markings on a modular putter until they narrow down the exact configuration that works best for you. Both can reach a similar place but I think the Edel system is a bit more thorough unless the SAM Puttlab fitting has such a wide range of putters that it covers all the different possibilities.

Aldila NV 2KXV Green Shaft Review - Plugged In Golf Years after the original NV made aftermarket shafts cool, Aldila is back with the sequel, the NV 2KXV Green. Project X HZRDUS Yellow Shaft Review - Plugged In Golf What's different about the bold new HZRDUS Yellow? It's all about weight and balance. Get all the details in this review. The Aldila NV 2KXV Green is the tried and tested more conventional 68g shaft. About 3.0 torque in the X flex. The Project X HZRDUS Yellow is the newfangled counterbalanced 78g shaft. About 2.7 torque in the X flex. The Project X HZRDUS Yellow is a very strange shaft. It is thick and heavy and very stiff but it has an extreme softening in a very narrow region in the middle of the shaft. Definitely get fit. I would not mess with either shaft in X flex unless swing speed is over 105mph. The torque ratings are very low.

After learning more about fitting, I realized that putter fitting looks very simple and straightforward but is actually very very very very complicated and should be left to the experts. The number of dimensions such as putter length, toe flow, face technology, MOI, how the markings influence aim, head weight, total weight, swingweight, grip shape, neck design, offset, loft etc. is ridiculous. I consider Edel to the be top fitting experts for putting because during the fitting they test modular putters with all kinds of putter heads, necks and even markings, which is a level of fitting that few or no other fitters will test you for.

Great looking putter, congratulations. It would be great if you could provide some feedback on how that interesting looking face technology feels or performs compared to a standard milled face.

Not advisable, woods come 42-43" for a reason and hybrids around 40.5" inch for a reason. It has to do with the delicate balance of shaft to head weight ratio, total weight of the club and swingweight. You can get away with 1/4-1/2 inch shortening at the most, but 2 inches is 12 swingweights, which would really mess up a club. If you really don't like woods or long-shafted clubs, sure why not 2 hybrids, as long as you find the 17° gives you enough distance gap over the 20°. I am more confident with hybrids than woods, but I still carry a 4-wood and try to get better at it because it is simply the best club for its distance.

200-210 yards is an awkward distance, and neither 4W or 2H is going to change that. I have seen pros use woods and no hybrids, but few or none with all hybrids and no woods. They just need the distance from a wood too much despite all its disadvantages. A bigger headed, more forgiving 4-wood (maybe 16.5 degrees) that flies higher than a 3-wood would reduce the limitedness of the wood. If the lie is slightly bad, the 4-wood can still hit out of it. If the lie is moderately bad, the 20 degree hybrid is good enough as even a 2-H is going to hit short anyway. If the lie is very bad, its irons time.

The feel is the sound, and the sound comes from the materials used. Cobra and Taylormade have a more muted feel and sound because the heads use a lot of carbon-fiber, which dampens sound. Ping, using a lot of carbon fiber, is somewhat muted too but has a unique sound because they tune the sound internally with ribs in the driver head. Callaway has a loud initial sound because of the jailbreak bars, but then the sound is quickly muted by the carbon fiber in the crown. Titleist TS has all-titanium heads with a titanium sound that echoes off the titanium crown.

4W suits more players swingspeed than a 3W. 4W suits a 17 degree loft better than a hybrid head. At 17 degrees (quite a low loft), that club has convert your swing speed into a higher ballspeed for enough launch, and wood heads are better for that than hybrid heads.

Very nice numbers. Blue Evenflow (mid launch/spin) plus Rogue/Rogue SZ is such an exciting combo. Classic mid launch shaft profile plus top-of-the-line spin reduction head, magic.

OK I figured out why the different brands of drivers heads sound the way they do through looking at pictures of their head construction. Taylormade driver heads have flat featureless walls so you get a hollow bubble sound with little echo because it is absorbed by the high amount of carbon fiber. Ping heads after G400 have ribs that modify the sound pitch and give it more echo even though the shell is still mostly carbon fiber. Titleist heads use titanium crowns that give the sound that traditional metallic ring and feel. Callaway heads after the Epic have the jailbreak bars that give the initial impact a heavy sound, then the sound quickly mutes because the rest of the head is carbon fiber and absorbs the echo.

Swing thoughts are for improvement, and almost everyone needs improvement. No swing thoughts are if you already have an amazing swing and don't want to mess with what is already working.

Regarding the question of the shaft, I have found that the new Callaway driver heads already cut a lot of spin and launch compared to other brands, so pairing them with low launch and low spin shafts is a bit extreme. This is why I would assume for most people a mid launch/spin rather than a low launch/spin shaft is better with a Rogue/Rogue Sub Zero head. Especially if you are coming off a high launch shaft. Of course, launch monitor fitting will show the truth of what suits you, I would just follow the results. If the numbers show the low launch shaft is good, that is the one. If the numbers show the mid launch is good, that is the one. Experimenting with hot melt in a Taylormade head is a good idea too. It can overcome some of that empty bubble feeling and sound.

Yes, the strike location can totally change the spin because of the gear effect. I heard using shoe powder or is it spray? is a convenient way of showing strike location on the face. Hehe Titleists can be thuddy all right. Try the 915D2, that thing is loud.

Yes, since Epic, jailbreak like you say, there is this heavy feel/ thuddy sound in the Callaways. In the spectrum of lighter feel and bubble-like to more heavy and concentrated, I would say it goes this way Taylormade->Ping->Titleist->Callaway. After playing with the two extremes of Taylormade and Callaway, I have come to prefer the middle of Ping or Titleist, neither too bubbly or too heavy for my tastes.

This is the exact reason why I moved from Taylormades to Callaways and Titleists and won't consider any more Taylormades. Taylormade increased forgiveness to an extreme degree by moving the CG so much to the borders of the head I lost the feeling of the head. Callaways are the direct opposite. The heads feel like you are punching the ball with a stone. However, do note that Callaways from the Epic to the Rogue are serious spin-killers. This goes triple for the Sub Zeros. Basically the M2 was the spin-cutting king of 2017, the Epic Sub Zero and PING G400 LST dethroned it in 2018, and now PING can't really cut more spin on the LST so far, but Callaway cut even more spin in the Rogue Sub Zero.

Rogue 10.5 degrees with mid launch/mid spin shaft would probably be closest to a M1 10 degree with an Orange 2KXV though it is apples to oranges. Of course what Saevel said is true, technique changes could settle your issues, especially as the M2 head and 2KXV shaft are both really high quality gear. That said, changing drivers is fun, just be aware a Taylormade to Callaway change makes a great difference in swing feel. The Taylormades feel like big empty bubbles while the Rogue heads feel like the weight is more compact and concentrated. If you prefer a more compact feeling head, maybe the feel of the Rogue or Rogue Sub Zero may agree with you. Another point to note is that the Rogue Sub Zero has the center of gravity much more forward than the Rogue. You may or may not be thrown off by this feeling as the M2 center of gravity is much more backward with a large dispersed head. Rogue Sub Zeros are among the greatest spin killers of all drivers, significantly more than the Rogue, its not Sub Zero for nothing. Maybe the extra spin cut is good for you, maybe not.

Heh, good. My pathetic swingspeed does not warrant super low spinners. This year has mouthwatering offerings: PING's G410 is the amazing G400 improved even more with movable weights. Titleist TS2/TS3 has finally caught up in distance with the other drivers while still maintaining that nice traditional Titleist feel. The Epic Flash is even more Epic? Epicer? Cobra's new driver (the yellow one) is good value for money.

2019 looks like an amazing year for drivers. I have to wonder though if the low-spin trend is going to keep cutting the spin so low that average or low swingspeed players are not going to get enough backspin on their drivers.

Agree that CP2 Pro and Superstroke comfort grips are both great. I felt that both give a confident grip but are comfortable, but ended up going with the Superstroke.

Look amazing, PING are so good at making drivers.

Get fitted, be it by Edel or SAM Puttlab. General theory is too easy to get tangled up in. Getting fitted is specific customization which works.

I agree that the magnitude of actual physical forces are negligible. The toe-hang's major impact is on feel. And feel changes the golfer's putting stroke. If you feel the toe is heavier than the heel, it may for some reason cause a tiny change in how you putt and this can totally affect arc path.