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They stated pairings are random, but I think the club uses software that takes the guesswork out. I like your attitude about possibly getting to play more golf! OR I might only get to play one round…🥴
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Southern by Choice started following 2021 Solheim Cup , Match Play Pairings , Amateur Tournaments, Rankings and False Handicaps and 2 others
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I’m playing in a Match Play Tournament where only 12 players signed up. Because of bracketing, four of the 12 get a bye. Can you explain why the four BEST players in the field got the bye? It clearly isn’t random.
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Amateur Tournaments, Rankings and False Handicaps
Southern by Choice replied to Sandy Lie's topic in Golf Talk
Could be. Unfortunately, she doesn’t really understand the GHIN system and is unlikely to notice this notation. (She is a friend, and I’ve explained the importance of posting ALL her scores, but she just loves to watch her index go down.) 🤷🏼♀️ -
Amateur Tournaments, Rankings and False Handicaps
Southern by Choice replied to Sandy Lie's topic in Golf Talk
Vanity handicapper busted? A member of my club only posts her good scores, and I’m wondering if that came to the attention of the Handicap Committee. Her GHIN page shows the notice below; but no adjustment was made. Any idea what’s going on? -
The pro shop computes game winners and then posts scores after play. Suggestions on how to record the hole and make this easy for all? There are often 40 players on a League day.
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It’s just a rule that the League I belong to has adopted; it makes no sense to me, either! I've quoted the above rule in its entirety, directly from a recent email. Ironically, the League has just made a revision to our By-Laws stating that we are "governed by the USGA rules of golf and local League rules."
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Oops, my mistake. The MAX SCORE is used for posting, and it is also used for any "game" competition. (This is to prevent handicap strokes from reducing a hole that is not completed.) Example: a player is lying 5 on the green in a better ball competition. Her partner already has the hole, so she picks up to help pace of play. She believes her most likely score to be 7, but under the LOCAL RULE, she posts 8X, which is par 4 + 2 + 2 handicap strokes.
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Another local rule question… Note that the NET score posted will be your max, both for the competition and for posting purposes. I think this artificially inflates handicaps, if nothing else. If you pick up on a hole, mark the hole with an X and you will receive your max score as the net score for that hole.
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If a player picks up, she receives her NDB score for the hole for both GROSS and NET. A par 5 and I get 2 strokes; NDB is 9. So if I pick up, I score a 9 for 9. But it gets worse: suppose I’m lying 9 with a long putt ahead. I can pick up OR I can choose to try to hole it, earning a 10 for 8. So I get a net 8 for the "money game" but still post a max NDB 9 for GHIN. (Obviously, there’s a point of diminishing returns, where actual strokes for the hole less my handicap strokes are more than my max NDB.) Confused yet? I can guarantee the players will be! Many don’t even know their NDB for each hole. And some local courses we play haven’t set up hole-by-hole posting, so the GHIN scores could be messed up, too. 🤦🏻
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Thanks for your response. We have played this way for years: original max was 10, then double par, and now NDB, since the WHS instituted it. Our new League Board is comprised of our mid-level handicappers, who feel giving strokes when the ball is not holed is unfair and favors the high handicappers. The NEW rule is: FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR MONEY GAMES, IF YOU PICK UP BEFORE HOLING THE BALL—EVEN AT MAX NET DOUBLE BOGEY—NO HANDICAP STROKES WILL BE AWARDED FOR THAT HOLE. (Scores for posting continue to follow WHS guidelines.) Our local pros are adamant in their opinions that anything involving money must be HOLED OUT, and claim that pace of play is not adversely affected—which supports the Board's position. The Board also cites adherence to USGA rules as the reason for the change, but I can’t find this exact scenario anywhere… Happy New Year from the Lowcountry of South Carolina, where we played golf in sunny 80 degree weather!
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Mistakes in Tournament Scoring and Payouts
Southern by Choice replied to Southern by Choice's topic in Golf Talk
Unfortunately, no published rules…but our policy has been that GROSS is better than NET if you placed the same in both categories. So in your example, our 3rd place golfer would would rank in the GROSS column. But in this case, my 5th place Gross is nothing compared to 1st place Net! And as you can guess from my 28 HI, I don’t win very often. -
I played in a two-day RINGERS Tournament (sometimes called an ECLECTIC Format). The results were tabulated by the President of the league, and winners and payouts were announced at our year-end luncheon. (Winners can be in one category only—not both NET and GROSS.) But WHOOPS—the results were wrong! She went through all the GROSS scores first, and assigned 1st-5th place winners. Then she took all remaining players and assigned 1st-5th place for NET…which skewed the results. For example, I had an 87 GROSS (remember, it’s RINGERS, selecting the best score on each hole over two rounds) with a 59 NET. The 87 put me in 5th place for Gross, but FIRST place for Net. Now for the question: how to best handle this? My husband plays in a Men's League, and when any errors are discovered after payouts, they say "MONEY PAYOUTS STAND, BUT HERE ARE THE REVISED WINNERS FOR 'BRAGGING' RIGHTS." (There’s not a lot of money involved in our case—probably less than $50 difference from 1st to 5th place.). WHAT SAY YOU?
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General question: WHAT IS THE TOTAL YARDAGE BEING PLAYED IN THE SOLHEIM CUP? I have read "6902 yards," but it’s not clear to me that’s the yardage the women are actually playing. If so, it’s roughly equivalent to the men's Gold Tees. Right?
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Fair but Speedy Tournament Play
Southern by Choice replied to Southern by Choice's topic in Member Outings & Meetups
The USGA stat you reference says rounds with a score "reduced to a net double bogey" rarely count in the best 8 for handicap purposes. However, most people I know post only total scores for the round, HAVING ALREADY ADJUSTED THE MAX PER HOLE TO NDB. So the number of NDB scores used for handicap purposes wouldn’t be immediately evident to the USGA. For clarification, I started this thread with questions about weekly LEAGUE play. When playing in actual tournaments, it’s usual for us to hole out—no max before picking up.