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Baraethon Well Established Member

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Gah, cannot figure out what this means...

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Harry Longshanks Great Member

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It means that if you miss a "green in regulation" (i.e., you are not on the green in par minus 2), but you still make par or better on the hole.

Up = chipping/pitching/hitting onto the green
Down = putting into the hole.

However, it still counts as an "Up and Down" if you hole out from chip/pitch/approach.

A "sand save" is the same thing, but from a greenside bunker.
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Q.Q.Quillume Great Member

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It means that if you miss a "green in regulation" (i.e., you are not on the green in par minus 2), but you still make par or better on the hole.

Not trying to be argumentative, but IMO "up and down" is anytime a player chips/pitches onto the green and makes the putt but there is no necessity that it be for par or better.

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Not trying to be argumentative, but IMO "up and down" is anytime a player chips/pitches onto the green and makes the putt but there is no necessity that it be for par or better.

I agree; anytime there is one chip and one putt, it is an up and down; though the ones for pars are much nicer

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Fourputt Incredible Member

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I agree; anytime there is one chip and one putt, it is an up and down; though the ones for pars are much nicer

Actually the best ones are for birdies....

(I'd have said eagle, but an up and down for eagle is a rare bird )

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what about putting in from the fringe for a double bogey, or lagging from the fringe, tap-in for triple? Up and down?

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The other day I was left of the green in 2 on a par 5. I pitched over the green in 3. I got the 4th one caught in the grass and left it short of the green. I chipped the 5th one in for par. It was ironic being able to give myself an up-and-down and have zero putts on a hole I made 2 errors on.

I think the Harry is correct in saying that it must be for par or better.

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telrod11 Established Member

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Hmmm. I'm not sure where we could look for a definitive definition of "up and down", but I was always taught that "up and down" (as I described it above) and "sand save" were the two components of the "Scramble" statistic.

I'm going to have to vote that it means par also.....

I'v enever heard anyone get a "good up and down", without actually getting par.... JMHO.....

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what about putting in from the fringe for a double bogey, or lagging from the fringe, tap-in for triple? Up and down?

It's still up and down. It's also still a poor score.

Up and down is getting up and down... what it's for is meaningless. I've had really good up and downs for a bogey... and glad of the fact. Why in the world would it have to be for a par????

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TheLauncher Well Established Member

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One "up" onto the green, two "down" into the hole, regardless of whether it's for par or not, imo.

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This is from About.com:

Up and Down
By Brent Kelley, About.com

GolfDefinition: To get the ball into the hole in two strokes when starting from off the green or in a greenside hazard. Say your second shot on a par-4 is just short of the green. If you make par , you've made an up-and-down. Think of it this way: the first stroke was up onto the green; the second stroke was down into the cup.
Also Known As: Make and up-and-down, get up and down

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Baraethon Well Established Member

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Mkay, I thought it was just the pitch part of it.

Cause I am definitely having problems with that, lost at least 10 strokes today from coming just short of a green on my third shot (I never hit GIR, unless its a par 3 or a tiny par 4, not a long enough hitter.)

Thanks for the info.

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Q.Q.Quillume Great Member

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FWIW - clipped & pasted from Golf Digest ScoreCard 4.0 (software to track scores, handicap index, fairways hit, GIRs, putts, 3-putts, sand saves, up & downs and probably a few other statistical categories) Glossary:

Up and Down
This term applies to the holes on which a golfer reaches the green with a greater than regulation number of strokes, but is able to one-putt the hole.
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For me & my stat keeping, up and down is from inside 50 yards. My shortest full swing club goes 60 yards. So I like to know how many times I get "up and down" on those short game touch shots. I think it depends on how you personally want to track your short game performance.
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This is from About.com:

And the score that you put in bold is just for that particular example. That "definition" doesn't say that it

has to be for par, just that the example works out that way. Getting up and down is holing out in 2 strokes when your ball begins somewhere off the green.... one shot gets you up on the green, and the second gets you down in the hole. That's all it can possibly mean. In my 35 years of playing the term has been used a few thousand times in my presence, but they weren't all for par. It's very common for someone to say "If I can get this up and down, I'll save a bogey." Or the obverse, "I have a chance to get up and down for a birdie!" I will admit that the phrase is normally used to refer to a shot played from somewhere near the green, but nothing about it says that you can't get "up and down" from 200 yards out.

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telrod11 Established Member

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And the score that you put in bold is just for that particular example. That "definition" doesn't say that it

You may be right. I personally haven't heard it unless it was associated with par. Anyone have a definitive on this?

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