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How have you grooved your in-out swing?
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Driver --- G15 9* Aldila Serrano
3 Wood - Sumo2 15* Aldila NV
5 Wood - Versus 19* Mitsubishi Bassara 83Irons ---- X-Forged 4 - PWWedges - Vokey S.M. 52.08, 56.08 & 60.08Putter --- Futura PhantomBall ------ Tour i(s)
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How have you grooved your in-out swing?

In order to reliably swing in to out you have to get your hands deep. At P6 the arm should ideally still be in, too. Otherwise it's manipulation - something Tiger has shown he can't even pull off very well.

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Erik, do you have a reference point for the various positions in the swing? I know that I need to sort out my hands staying deep to eliminate my slice and pulls.
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Excellent question, one I'm interested in hearing the answer of too.

In order to reliably swing in to out you have to get your hands deep.

At P6.....

Just curious what "hands deep" and "P6" mean.

In my bag:

Driver: FT-5, 9° stiff
Wood: Big Bertha 3W/5W
Irons: X-20 TourWedges: X Tour 52°/56°Hybrids: Idea Pro 2/3/4Putter: Black Series #2Ball: NXT Extreme/NXT Tour
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Erik, do you have a reference point for the various positions in the swing? I know that I need to sort out my hands staying deep to eliminate my slice and pulls.

It's just the geometry. If your hands are out too far, you can't easily swing from the inside without doing something else to compensate (like massive bowing of the left wrist or something). At P2 the butt of the club should have moved in, and it should still be in at P6 and the clubhead should be parallel to the target line, for example.

Just curious what "hands deep" and "P6" mean.

This has been in my signature for awhile now: "Reference: Terms/Phrases I Use".

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This has been in my signature for awhile now: "Reference: Terms/Phrases I Use".

Thanks! Sorry I missed that before. Great link.

In my bag:

Driver: FT-5, 9° stiff
Wood: Big Bertha 3W/5W
Irons: X-20 TourWedges: X Tour 52°/56°Hybrids: Idea Pro 2/3/4Putter: Black Series #2Ball: NXT Extreme/NXT Tour
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Erik, I love how frequently you have to reference the 'Reference' in your signature(especially for deep hands). I've found a lot of the information in their extremely helpful. You should just make that blog post a sticky or something.

Driver: 909D3 9.5*
Wood: 909F3 15*
Hybrid: a4 3-4H
Irons: MP-57 5-PW
Wedges: MP R 50.5 SM 54.12 MP R 58.10Putter: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Mid SlantCorrect me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they're gonna lock me up and throw away the key...

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Erik, I love how frequently you have to reference the 'Reference' in your signature(especially for deep hands). I've found a lot of the information in their extremely helpful. You should just make that blog post a sticky or something.

I don't know if you can do that (and it'd be somewhat presumptuous to do so), but that's mainly the reason it's in my sig file. I hope people will eventually learn to look there.

Anyway, inside to out is simply a function of being able to swing from the inside. Too many people put themselves in positions that almost entirely prevent them from coming into the ball from the inside - the arms and the butt of the club get too far out, they spin the hips too much, too early, etc.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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Last year: Fade and slice
This year: Draw and hook

What changed: Deep hands

I haven't grooved it completely yet, so I can't control it, but my swing path definitely changed from out-to-in to in-to-out.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot Pro | Callaway X-Utility 3i | Mizuno MX-700 23º | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15º | Titleist 910 D2 9,5º | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

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