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jcard71 Well Established Member

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I just joined this website called www.oobgolf.com where you can keep track of all your golfing data.

I was wondering what is the correct way to calculate putts per hole?

So if I'm just off the green and I elect to putt as opposed to chip am I supposed to count that as a putt because I could have also used a 7 iron to bump and run it to the hole..

What's the correct way to score that?
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crazy_horst Well Established Member

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Nope.

Even if you elect to putt from the fringe (or anywhere else off the green), it does not count as a putt. Only a putt struck on the actual surface of the green is a putt. A lot of times you'll see pros putt from off the green and take two more on the actual green surface (technically a two-putt), but the commentators will say "he's going to feel like that's a three-putt," even though technically it isn't.

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Great, appreciate your help! I've been giving myself alot more 3 putts than I should...

Exactly! I three putt enough without any help

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I count a putt whenever the ball is on the putting surface. It's easy to figure out exactly where that is and the times you are on the fringe and cannot decide if a putt or a chip shot is needed you will go with the club best suited for the shot rather than the club suited for the statistic.
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Ok so far...
but then my question is, what should be counted as shortgame?

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wolverine318 Well Established Member

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Ok so far...

Here is the thing bout counting putts per hole. Personally, I count puts from fringe as putts because I feel it gives a more accurate representation of my putting that way.

Basically, if I am 10 ft from the Pin, but 1 inch on the fringe and it takes two strokes to get the ball in the hole from there, what is more accurate of your putting success? Saying you had 1 or 2 putts? I cant answer the shortgame question as I have asked the same and found a lot of different opinions on it. Some say within 30 yds some 50yds. Some even 75. *Note this is for personal stats only, for league and tourney play I obviously go by the exact rule but keep my notes on the side
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I always thought a "putt" was any hit (with any club), or a swing and a miss, from the putting green for the hole on which you are playing. I would also say that any penalty stroke taken while on the putting surface should be classed as a putt for the same reason as a whiff (like the classic double penalty for moving the ball and then failing to replace it before hitting it).

Thus, something like a Michelson flop shot played off one part of a green to another to avoid some obstacle was still a "putt", but lets say you miss the green entirely but land on another green and choose to hit the ball from there, then that is not a "putt" because its is not the green for the hole you are playing.

I would also guess that a shot hit with a putter from the wrong end of a double green is not a "putt" as you are not on the proper "green".

Does anyone know the record for lowest numer of putts in a PGA tour event? Its probably less than 18.

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I would also like to see some definition of "shortgame". I would say that if you drew a circle with a center in the exact middle of the green so that it included all greenside bunkers/traps and then there was at least 5 yards outside of the farest trap edge from the green, then you are definitely in shortgame territory. But for me its anywhere outside the greenside traps and bunkers where I cannot hit a full swing with any club (flops excluded) without being too long.

Maybe "shortgame" is simply anywhere near the green where you cannot take a full swing with any club, plus flops?

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Here is the thing bout counting putts per hole. Personally, I count puts from fringe as putts because I feel it gives a more accurate representation of my putting that way.

So if you are playing a par4 and get on the fringe with 2nd (and then putt) would you consider the hole as GIR?

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crazy_horst Well Established Member

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Here is the thing bout counting putts per hole. Personally, I count puts from fringe as putts because I feel it gives a more accurate representation of my putting that way.

You can do that, of course, but that's not the way it's officially counted/scored. I just don't want the original poster to be confused.

Officially a putt is only a putt if it's on the putting surface.

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crazy_horst Well Established Member

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So if you are playing a par4 and get on the fringe with 2nd (and then putt) would you consider the hole as GIR?

Nope. Fringe is fringe, green is green.

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Here's how I count it....if I hit it with a putter, it's a putt. My preference is to chip, it's often difficult to judge speed going through 3 or more feet of fringe.

The PGA Tour keeps a stat for it's players called 'putts per G.I.R.' or some such. I count all putts and if it's under 30 I've usually had a good round.

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wolverine318 Well Established Member

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So if you are playing a par4 and get on the fringe with 2nd (and then putt) would you consider the hole as GIR?

I personally DO for ME but not for my league since the league rules go by USGA/PGA rules of golf. Again I feel it more closley represents the way I am playing and hitting the ball.

Take this round for examle, I shot 75, going by the rules of golf I took 22 putts, hit 4 greens. You look at this round and say, wow, he must have had a great chipping and putting round. In reality, I shot 75, 22 putts but I had 8 greens I hit that were "fringe greens" So personally for my records I hit 12 greens and took 30 putts. A more accurate representation of my round since I hit the ball fairly decent, I just happened to catch the fringe a lot. In actuality I didnt putt 22 putts good, but I did putt well overall except a couple of holes. Maybe I should create a whole new category called fringe putts or something. I dont keep my stats to pump up my ego or anything though, I keep them so I can look at them and learn from them and see where my weak points are statistically so I can try and get better at those parts. Which I'm sure is the reasno most people keep them. In the grand scheme of things this bumps up my GIR a % or two but also bumps up my PPGIR and PP Round too. I have this discussion with a few playing parters proably once a year and it always comes down to your personal preference, why you keep the stat in the first place. I dont keep it so I can win low putts in my league, I keep it so I can see how well I am putting, driving the ball, etc. I also picked up a skycaddie this week and next year I am going to chart distances for as many shots as possible so I can dial in my yardages better, esp my wedges.
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crazy_horst Well Established Member

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In the grand scheme of things this bumps up my GIR a % or two

A % or two? It doubles it (at least in that example it did).

I just wanted to give the OP a clear answer as per the rules of golf. A few people seem to have their own personal twist, but as per the Rules of Golf, a fringe ain't a green and a putt from the fringe (or anywhere else off the green) ain't a putt. Just want to keep it clear for the OP.

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You can do that, of course, but that's not the way it's officially counted/scored. I just don't want the original poster to be confused.

Yes of course, to clarify, this is the way I DO IT, for my PERSONAL REFERENCE and for my personal reasons already stated.

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