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Have been thinking two things recently; 1) Scheffler is the second best golfer (all around) that I've ever seen (been a die hard fan since 1992) 2) His relentless success *might* be even approaching Tiger's prime.

Thoughts? Also, what about strokes gained for both (not as well versed in/familiar in that approach), nor do I know where to find it for pre 2004.

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39 minutes ago, csh19792001 said:

Have been thinking two things recently; 1) Scheffler is the second best golfer (all around) that I've ever seen (been a die hard fan since 1992) 2) His relentless success *might* be even approaching Tiger's prime.

Thoughts? Also, what about strokes gained for both (not as well versed in/familiar in that approach), nor do I know where to find it for pre 2004.

Thanks, everyone!!

So strokes gained as split down by shot type doesn't exist prior to 2004. They need shotlink data to generate it and shotlink wasn't a thing prior to 2004. I am not 100% sure on this, but I think overall strokes gained is basically adjusted scoring average vs the tour average adjusted scoring average, so overall strokes gained you could come up with something reasonable for pre-2004. 

Scheffler's strokes gained approach the past couple of years has been getting closer to where Tiger's was. His strokes gained approach was absurdly good and is basically the reason he was so good. Tiger also hit it far enough that his strokes gained driving was also pretty good despite all the talk about his driver being a problem. Tiger was a better putter and short game they're probably similar. 

That said, Scottie has a ways to go to get close to Tiger's dominance. Tiger won 7 majors of 11 in a stretch from 1999 PGA to 2002 US Open. He also had a 5, 6 and I think 7 consecutive win streak in PGA Tour events. At his highest, his OWGR points was nearly three times as much as 2nd place.

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Well they’ve booth been arrested, but Scottie did it in his prime!

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1 hour ago, Ty_Webb said:

So strokes gained as split down by shot type doesn't exist prior to 2004. They need shotlink data to generate it and shotlink wasn't a thing prior to 2004. I am not 100% sure on this, but I think overall strokes gained is basically adjusted scoring average vs the tour average adjusted scoring average, so overall strokes gained you could come up with something reasonable for pre-2004. 

Scheffler's strokes gained approach the past couple of years has been getting closer to where Tiger's was. His strokes gained approach was absurdly good and is basically the reason he was so good. Tiger also hit it far enough that his strokes gained driving was also pretty good despite all the talk about his driver being a problem. Tiger was a better putter and short game they're probably similar. 

That said, Scottie has a ways to go to get close to Tiger's dominance. Tiger won 7 majors of 11 in a stretch from 1999 PGA to 2002 US Open. He also had a 5, 6 and I think 7 consecutive win streak in PGA Tour events. At his highest, his OWGR points was nearly three times as much as 2nd place.

Really well said. I'm honestly shocked to have anyone **even remotely **close to Tiger Woods, at his best. Insane, right?

With health/fitness/technology (Trackman etc) now being everywhere, prize money going completely insane, and globalization being drastically advanced relative to 2000ish....Scheffler is beating better golfers than Tiger did (and beating far more of them from every corner of the globe). Remember when Tiger said (paraphrasing): "In the gym back then it was just me and Vijay"? THAT is one way you win the Masters by 12 and the US Open by 15....

All of these things combined are a point in Scottie's favor, but, I agree, he's still not on Tiger's level. 

Yet. I don't think it's possible now or in the future. The fields are too deep and diverse, and, players seem too advanced and optimized (relative to the late 90's-early 2000's).


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Don't you think that the advances in tech (balls and clubs) have helped the other PGA TOUR golfers advance to Tiger's length?  That in itself is huge to help today's golfers win.  While I agree that today's golfers are better than 25 years ago, Tiger's many, many weeks at number 1 may go unrivaled. 

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Best round and event-level strokes gained performances since 1983.

 

Going back to 1983 adjusting for field strength, Woods has the top 6 seasons by strokes gained. from Data Golf Scheffler has the 7th  8th, 12th and 15th. Woods has three other seasons in the top 20.   

Also notable is Rory's highest rated season in the 28th best season. 44 year old Jack Nicklaus has the 36th highest strokes gained season.


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