Guess the ruling 3a,3b

[blue3715]

These are rules from the USGA rule book... see if you rule correct.

Situation

3a. In a match your caddy has dropped your bag just short of the green.
You go back 20 yds and skull your wedge shot which ends up wedged under the bag. Moving the bag will cause the ball to move.

3b. Same issue, but it's your opponents' caddy and oppenents' clubs.

You obviously need to move the bag, you mark the spot and remove the bag, the ball rolls.

Do you

1. Play it as it lies
2. Place it at the mark with a 1 stroke penalty
3. Redo the shot
4. drop the ball on the other side of the green (with penalty?)

Answer and Ruling here:

hints, 3a and 3b are different answers, and where the ball lies.

3a. rule 19.2
Answer is #4.. with a stroke penalty
If a player’s ball is accidentally deflected or stopped by himself,
his partner or either of their caddies or equipment, the player
incurs a penalty of one stroke. The ball must be played as it lies,
except when it comes to rest in or on the player’s, his partner’s
or either of their caddies’ clothes or equipment, in which case the
ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped...

if the ball wasn't wedged in the equipment, you play it as it lies with a 1 stroke penalty.

3b. Rule 19.3
If a player’s ball is accidentally deflected or stopped by an
opponent, his caddie or his equipment, there is no penalty.
The player may, before another stroke is made by either side,
cancel the stroke and play a ball, without penalty, as nearly
as possible at the spot from which the original ball was
last played (see Rule 20-5) or he may play the ball as it lies.

so if the player wishes to play the shot he must follow rule 19.2 in the same manner, but without penalty.

When it says through the green, it means you must assume the ball rolled thru the green across to the other side.. you dont get to drop the ball on the front of the green, that would allow you to benefit from the deflection.. again assuming the ball ended up in the equipment.

[NM Golf]

I gotta tell you this is not a great quiz and also not a very good explaination of the rule itself.

You gave the answer as #4

3a. rule 19.2

That is incorrect. Plus the shot penalty comes from hitting your equipment and has nothing to do with the ball moving when the equipment is moved. You did not give a correct answer for what happens. Plus if the ball was at rest under the equipment and moves while moving the equipment it would not be played as it lies. It is at rest and therefor would have to be moved back to its original position.

I don't mean to get on you but if you are going to post all these rules threads please for the benefit of the readers be clear and for gods sakes be correct.

[Bradenator]

From your "spoiler"-

When it says through the green, it means you must assume the ball rolled thru the green across to the other side..

Um, no. That isn't what "through the green" means....Through the Green refers to the entire course, with the exceptions of the tee/green of the hole being played, and all hazards.

[blue3715]

I gotta tell you this is not a great quiz and also not a very good explaination of the rule itself.

yes you are correct, whether the ball ended up in your equipment or not its still a penalty, the latter movement of the ball was secondary.

The rule I copied in should be quite clear, it';s from the handbook. I don't see how it's wrong if I copied it from the USGA rules. Maybe the situation was too complicated... simply you hit your equipment (penalty) or your opponents.

[StrayCat]

Its not that the situation is too complicated, your interpretation is incorrect.

[blue3715]

i may have been incorrect about the bll moving when moving the bad out of the way. I was referring to the part of the rule where the ball becomes lodged in the equipment. I guess I could have said the ball rolled into the bag, but that seemed unlikely.

ignoring that, the ideas was to note what to penalize and/or where to drop if the players or opponents equipment interfered. that's the more likely (and simpler) situation.

[Fourputt]

3a. 2 (Rule 19-2)

3b. 3 (Rule 19-3)

You don't seem to know what through the green means. See the definition in the Rules of Golf (hint: it has nothing to do with the putting green - the putting green is not even part of the area defined as through the green ). #4 is NOT the correct answer.

If the ball moves you replace it and incur a one stroke penalty for hitting your own equipment. If it hits your opponent's equipment (match play), then you have the option of replaying the stroke with no penalty. If it hits your fellow competitor's equipment (stroke play), then the ball is played as it lies, because the fellow competitor is an outside agency and Rule 19-1 applies. If the ball lies on or in the fellow competitor's equipment, it is treated as movable obstruction and you would proceed under Rule 24-1.

[blue3715]

good point, I had trouble finding what "thru the green meant". Can you post the definition for all, as it's not all that clear

[Fourputt]

good point, I had trouble finding what "thru the green meant". Can you post the definition for all, as it's not all that clear

What I will do is post the link to the USGA Rules of Golf. It's an excellent resource, and when you have a rules question, it will help your understanding of the rules if you first try and find the answer for yourself. If you have any question on how to use the site or how to relate the rules and the decisions to each other, I'll be happy to help you out. Here's the link:

Rules of Golf Click on Section II - Definitions, then scroll down to "through the green". The first step in learning the Rules of Golf is to know the Definitions. A lot of Rules questions can be answered simply by knowing the terminology. If the meaning of through the green is still unclear, I'll be happy to explain further.