Less torque = more slice?

[HytrewQasdfg]

I know this is the rule: the lower the torque number on a shaft, the more it promotes a slice (and the higher the torque, the less it promotes a slice.)

Does anyone know why this is true? It seems counter intuitive to me.

[DJYoshi]

i never knew or heard anything like that. I just know that the lower the torque on the shaft...the stiffer it plays b/c it resists twisting.i can see that it might promote casting/pushing the ball to the right if you can't square the club upon impact b/c of how stiff the shaft plays..but i never knew that. can anyone fully confirm this?

[FlopShotArtist]

This confuses me. I would think the stiffer the shaft, the less it tends to hook/slice.

[klaymon]

Never heard this. I have a ProLaunch Red which is higher torque than the stock shaft and I slice/fade far less with it than when the club was new.

[joshtpa]

Never heard this either. Where did the OP get the info from?

[iacas]

Never heard this either. Where did the OP get the info from?

I think he's just making it up. Or whomever he heard it from made it up.

[BGPro]

The stiffer the shaft, the straighter the ball flight. The more flexible the shaft, the longer the ball flight. It's finding the balance of the two that you need to take into account. The less torque you have on a shaft, the less twisting and therefore the more stable the shaft will be... that's the only thing torque does. Usually, the heavier the shaft, the less torque the shaft will have, because of the faster swing speeds used for the heavy shafts. I hope this answers your questions.

[bigoak]

I have assembled a lot of drivers. It is my experience that if a shaft is too stiff the swinger cannot "load" the shaft and a right and right shot occurs. This is not due to torque but due to stiffness of the shaft. The slicing is probably due to a decending contact with the teed ball. try teeing it higher and move it a bit forward and hit it on the up swing ala Nicklaus

[JYB]

the stiffer the shaft, the less likely it is to produce hooks/slices.

[HytrewQasdfg]

I think he's just making it up. Or whomever he heard it from made it up.

Nope, this is what I have always heard. Here is a link to a golf.com article with that exact advice:

http://www.golf.com/golf/equipment/a...819634,00.html I can see people on here already getting torque confused with flex (stiffness). Flex refers to how much a shaft bends and is a rating like" x-stiff, stiff, regular, adult, and ladies. Torque refers to how much the shaft twists and is a number (2.5, 3.0, 4.8, etc...) The higher the number, the more the shaft twists as you swing. Back to the main subject, I know the recommendation is a higher torque (bigger number so twists more) shaft to help reduce a slice, I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.

[FlopShotArtist]

The lower the torque, the stiffer it is. So the stiffness level and torque do have something to do with each other.

[joshtpa]

Nope, this is what I have always heard. Here is a link to a golf.com article with that exact advice:

Thanks for the link.

[winders]

The lower the torque, the stiffer it is. So the stiffness level and torque do have something to do with each other.

The shaft's ability to resist twisting and its ability to resist bending are different design parameters. It is possible to have XX Stiff shaft with a high torque rating and to have Ladies flex shaft with a very low torque rating.

In other words, low torque does not necessarily mean stiff. S-

[bigoak]

Winders is correct. I am a senior and play a senior flex but it has only 2.1 degrees of torque. A shaft with a lot of torque can be forgiving but it also can get you into trouble when you increase swing speed. When you are fitted for a club it is important that you swing at your normal tempo. Ever notice that when you hit the 3 wood off the deck it goes straight and when off a tee you tend to draw it.

[FlopShotArtist]

I was talking on a default basis. If you have the default shaft, most of the time the less torque, the stiffer it is.

Or atleast that's what I've seen on my R7 and SQ.

[winders]

I was talking on a default basis.

That's the point. There is no "default". You can make no assumptions about shaft torque based on stiffness.

S-

[FlopShotArtist]

That's the point. There is no "default". You can make no assumptions about shaft torque based on stiffness.

You didn't even read the rest of my post.

most of the time the less torque, the stiffer it is. Or atleast that's what I've seen on my R7 and SQ.

[bigoak]

Again! I am a senior. I play a senior shaft That's A flex it has 2.1 degrees of torque. The torque is not due to the flex. it is due to the resistance to twisting. Stiffer shafts do reduce slicing and hooking. Stiffer shafts also reduce distance. My thinking is if I have to give up distance for straightness then why don't I just swing slower and straighter.

Go shopping for shafts and notice the price increase as torque is less and less. There is no price increase for stiffness.