Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
IGNORED

I need to start playing some longer courses.


Note: This thread is 6294 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Posted
Anyone else feel like this? I normally play a course nearby that runs about 6,800 from the blues. I really like the lay-out, but on just about every part 4, i'm left with nothing more than 8 iron in. I feel that this really hurts me since i don't get to work my 7-4 irons... I'd really like to start playing a course in the 7,200 yard range, but i can just see my handicap skyrocketing. lol

Posted
What about hitting the ball shorter from the tee? Using a wood or something instead of driver, maybe even an iron. You'll have a longer shot for the green and gets to use the longer irons.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot Pro | Callaway X-Utility 3i | Mizuno MX-700 23º | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15º | Titleist 910 D2 9,5º | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Zeph is spot-on. Try playing from the forward tees and you'll feel like you're in a place totally different than your usual track.

"You can live to be a hundred if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be a hundred." Woody Allen
My regular pasture.


Posted
If your course it 6,800 yards, and your hitting an 8 iron in every time it seems like your course isn't layed out very well. There should be atleast a mix of a few long Par 4's in there at 6800 yards. I know at my old home course, each par 4 did leave me a shorter iron in, but there was a couple holes that were extra short to make room for the longer par 4's exceeding 400 yards. I'm sure you'd be hitting long irons into those.

Also try hitting something shorter off the tee box. Hit an iron off the tee, pick the club that can leave you 160-200 yards out.
In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16

Posted
I'm so in the minority here, I try to avoid long courses like the plague! Maybe in the next couple of years, but for now I don't hit it far enough to enjoy that length of course. My range is 5,700-6,300 yards or so with a slope 125 or less.

Zeph and Dent are right though, you could make your course so much longer by hitting short to mid irons off the tee for a change of pace.
My Equipment:
Northwestern 3-, 5-, 7- and 9-wood;
Goldwin AVDP Irons (5-10 plus PW);
U.S. Golf 60 degree wedge;
See-More Putter; Bushnell Yardage Pro 1000 Rangefinder;Golflogix GPS.

Posted
If your course it 6,800 yards, and your hitting an 8 iron in every time it seems like your course isn't layed out very well. There should be atleast a mix of a few long Par 4's in there at 6800 yards. I know at my old home course, each par 4 did leave me a shorter iron in, but there was a couple holes that were extra short to make room for the longer par 4's exceeding 400 yards. I'm sure you'd be hitting long irons into those.

Hmm.. I hit my drives anywhere from 275-300 if i get a hold of it. My course does have a few par 4's in the 430-440 range. Lets say i hit it 275 on the 440 par 4. That leaves me about 165 in and thats a strong 8 iron for me. All the others usually only require a PW or 9 iron in. I may just try to hit a hybrid or 3 wood off the tees next time.

Posted
actually, my school's course is just like that. I can basically play it with my driver, gap, sand, lob, and putter. Once, I played one club with my buddies and we just took a pitching wedge around. if it weren't for the funny putting, our scores wouldn't be more than a stroke off per hole. However, this course, despite how short it is, is pretty difficult to mange. I end up using a lot of different shots and I get to use the rest of my set. Why don't you try reversing your game and hitting a short iron first and then take long approaches. I know it doesn't seem logical but, you gotta do with what you got
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Hmm.. I hit my drives anywhere from 275-300 if i get a hold of it. My course does have a few par 4's in the 430-440 range. Lets say i hit it 275 on the 440 par 4. That leaves me about 165 in and thats a strong 8 iron for me. All the others usually only require a PW or 9 iron in.

Pull a Tin Cup, and have some fun!

hey what do you think my best shot was..... was it 7 iron on 4? or was it 7 iron on 15?"

Posted
I'm so in the minority here, I try to avoid long courses like the plague! Maybe in the next couple of years, but for now I don't hit it far enough to enjoy that length of course. My range is 5,700-6,300 yards or so with a slope 125 or less.

I don't mind a long course as long as it doesn't involve a lot of long forced carries. I'm not a boomer off the tee by any means, and I don't mind playing 4W or hybrid for some approaches either, as long as I have a chance to be in play off the tee. My home course is like 6950 from the back tees, and 6500 from the whites. My scores only tend to be a couple of strokes higher when I play the blues.

Rick

"He who has the fastest cart will never have a bad lie."

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
The long carries over water (or, as I've played in Scottsdale, long carries over desert) is the killer for me too. I suppose the slope (as far as I'm concerned at this point) should really be the deciding factor (the higher the number, the harder the course, right?) I mentioned I try to keep my tees to 125 or less, and that's really the high end of where I like. Closer to 120 is more my speed, this year anyway.

I notice you are in Littleton (about 5400 feet above sea level) . . . while I am in Kansas City (about 900 feet). I've never played that high up, but I gotta ask, how much farther do you hit at that altitude than closer to sea level (I am assuming here that you have played elsewhere). Or is it negligible?
My Equipment:
Northwestern 3-, 5-, 7- and 9-wood;
Goldwin AVDP Irons (5-10 plus PW);
U.S. Golf 60 degree wedge;
See-More Putter; Bushnell Yardage Pro 1000 Rangefinder;Golflogix GPS.

Posted
The long carries over water (or, as I've played in Scottsdale, long carries over desert) is the killer for me too. I suppose the slope (as far as I'm concerned at this point) should really be the deciding factor (the higher the number, the harder the course, right?) I mentioned I try to keep my tees to 125 or less, and that's really the high end of where I like. Closer to 120 is more my speed, this year anyway.

The rule of thumb is that we gain about 10% over the same shot at sea level. My course is actually at about 5700 ft. With a reasonable swing, I can carry 250 here.... only about 220-230 when I play in Florida.

Rick

"He who has the fastest cart will never have a bad lie."

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
My home course (Sig.) is 6200 from where I play from in matches (middle). We play the front nine. I'll usually hit:

1st-Driver, 7
2nd-Driver, 5 wood, 8
3rd-5 wood, 8
4th-5 wood, 7
5th-Driver, 9
6th-5 or 6
7th-Driver, 5 wood, wedge
8th-9 or PW
9th-Driver, 4 or 5 iron, sometimes even 5 wood

So yeah it's a fairly short course considering I'm a pretty short hitter.

Posted
I can understand where the OP is coming from though as well. I mean 6,800 is longer than the average course out there, and can get really challenging, but still at times is still not long enough. At my course on the front nine its usually: (assuming I will hit all GIR's)

1) Driver - 6 iron - Wedge
2) 4 Iron - 8 Iron
3) Driver - Wedge
4) Driver - 4 Iron - Wedge
5) 9 Iron
6) Driver - 8 Iron
7) 4 Iron - 8 Iron
8) 6 Iron
9) Driver - 8 Iron

Notice how much people will use the 8 iron, it gets really repetitive. Out of 9 holes I'll usually use the 8 iron 4 times, which seems like a lot.
In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16

Posted

I just started playing a new home course GLEN ERIN with a 72.4 / 126 rating/slope. My old course was really short and didn't even have a rating. I have been playing GLEN ERIN and getting better because it is so much harder. I went and played some old friends on the easier course and did awesome and won a round with a playing partner that I have never beat before. So I think that playing a harder course may improve your game also.

In My Limited Edition "Sir Isaac Newton Caricature" Big Bertha Tour Bag:
Driver: Big Bertha Fusion Ft-3
Hybrid: Big Bertha Heavenwood 3h
Irons And Wedges: Big Bertha X-12 3-Sw And
60* Vokey Spin Milled Oil-Can Lob-WedgePutter: White Hot Xg Sabertooth and a Futura Phantom Balls: Hx Hot Bite...


Posted

Or you could try my strategy for my last couple of rounds. Completely butcher everything off the tee so you're in the trees or miles and and are forced to hit longer clubs just to get anywhere near the green .


Posted
Or you could try my strategy for my last couple of rounds. Completely butcher everything off the tee so you're in the trees or miles and and are forced to hit longer clubs just to get anywhere near the green

Ah yes.....you found my game.

Did this a bit yesterday. I had some of the best driving that I've had since returning to the game a few months back....too bad I was hooking the snot outa my approach irons. Ugliness abounded.
909D Comp 9.5* (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-6)
Burner Superfast 3 & 5 woods (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-4.8)
G15 Hybrid 23* (AWT shaft)
G5 5 iron-PW-46*, UW-50*, SW-54 & LW-58 (AWT shaft)
Studio Select Newport 2 Mid SlantGrips: PING cords & Golf Pride New Decade Multi-Coumpound Bag: C-130...

Posted
The rule of thumb is that we gain about 10% over the same shot at sea level...

I have GOT to come play in the Denver area ... I'd love to get another 25-30 yards on my drives ...

In my Bag:

Driver: Burner 10.5* Stiff shaft
3 WoodBurner 15* stiff shaft
5 WoodBurner 18* stiff ShaftHybrid3DX (18.5*)Irons: (4-LW):Putter: Rossa Indy SportBalls: Reds

Note: This thread is 6294 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • Day 1: 2025.12.26 Worked on LH position on grip, trying to keep fingers closer to perpendicular to the club. Feels awkward but change is meant to.
    • Please see this topic for updated information:
    • Please see this topic for updated information:
    • When you've been teaching golf as long as I have, you're going to find that you can teach some things better than you previously had, and you're probably going to find some things that you taught incorrectly. I don't see that as a bad thing — what would be worse is refusing to adapt and grow given new information. I've always said that my goal with my instruction isn't to be right, but it's to get things right. To that end, I'm about five years late in issuing a public proclamation on something… When I first got my GEARS system, I immediately looked at the golf swings of the dozens and dozens of Tour players for which I suddenly had full 3D data. I created a huge spreadsheet showing how their bodies moved, how the club moved, at various points in the swing. I mapped knee and elbow angles, hand speeds, shoulder turns and pelvis turns… etc. I re-considered what I thought I knew about the golf swing as performed by the best players. One of those things dated back to the earliest days: that you extend (I never taught "straighten" and would avoid using that word unless in the context of saying "don't fully straighten") the trail knee/leg in the backswing. I was mislead by 2D photos from less-than-ideal camera angles — the trail leg rotates a bit during the backswing, and so when observing trail knee flex should also use a camera that moves to stay perpendicular to the plane of the ankle/knee/hip joint. We have at least two topics here on this (here and here; both of which I'll be updating after publishing this) where @mvmac and I advise golfers to extend the trail knee. Learning that this was not right is one of the reasons I'm glad to have a 3D system, as most golfers generally preserve the trail knee flex throughout the backswing. Data Here's a video showing an iron and a driver of someone who has won the career slam: Here's what the graph of his right knee flex looks like. The solid lines I've positioned at the top of the backswing (GEARS aligns both swings at impact, the dashed line). Address is to the right, of course, and the graph shows knee flex from the two swings above. The data (17.56° and 23.20°) shows where this player is in both swings (orange being the yellow iron swing, pink the blue driver swing). You can see that this golfer extends his trail knee 2-3°… before bending it even more than that through the late backswing and early downswing. Months ago I created a quick Instagram video showing the trail knee flex in the backswing of several players (see the top for the larger number): Erik J. Barzeski (@iacas) • Instagram reel GEARS shares expert advice on golf swing technique, focusing on the critical backswing phase. Tour winners and major champions reveal the key to a precise and powerful swing, highlighting the importance of... Here are a few more graphs. Two LIV players and major champions: Two PGA Tour winners: Two women's #1 ranked players: Two more PGA Tour winners (one a major champ): Two former #1s, the left one being a woman, the right a man, with a driver: Two more PGA Tour players: You'll notice a trend: they almost all maintain roughly the same flex throughout their backswing and downswing. The Issues with Extending the Trail Knee You can play good golf extending (again, not "straightening") the trail knee. Some Tour players do. But, as with many things, if 95 out of 100 Tour players do it, you're most likely better off doing similarly to what they do. So, what are the issues with extending the trail knee in the backswing? To list a few: Pelvic Depth and Rotation Quality Suffers When the trail knee extends, the trail leg often acts like an axle on the backswing, with the pelvis rotating around the leg and the trail hip joint. This prevents the trail side from gaining depth, as is needed to keep the pelvis center from thrusting toward the ball. Most of the "early extension" (thrust) that I see occurs during the backswing. Encourages Early Extension (Thrust) Patterns When you've thrust and turned around the trail hip joint in the backswing, you often thrust a bit more in the downswing as the direction your pelvis is oriented is forward and "out" (to the right for a righty). Your trail leg can abduct to push you forward, but "forward" when your pelvis is turned like that is in the "thrust" direction. Additionally, the trail knee "breaking" again at the start of the downswing often jumps the trail hip out toward the ball a bit too much or too quickly. While the trail hip does move in that direction, if it's too fast or too much, it can prevent the lead side hip from getting "back" at the right rate, or at a rate commensurate with the trail hip to keep the pelvis center from thrusting. Disrupts the Pressure Shift/Transition When the trail leg extends too much, it often can't "push" forward normally. The forward push begins much earlier than forward motion begins — pushing forward begins as early as about P1.5 to P2 in the swings of most good golfers. It can push forward by abducting, again, but that's a weaker movement that shoves the pelvis forward (toward the target) and turns it more than it generally should (see the next point). Limits Internal Rotation of the Trail Hip Internal rotation of the trail hip is a sort of "limiter" on the backswing. I have seen many golfers on GEARS whose trail knee extends, whose pelvis shifts forward (toward the target), and who turn over 50°, 60°, and rarely but not never, over 70° in the backswing. If you turn 60° in the backswing, it's going to be almost impossible to get "open enough" in the downswing to arrive at a good impact position. Swaying/Lateral Motion Occasionally a golfer who extends the trail knee too much will shift back too far, but more often the issue is that the golfer will shift forward too early in the backswing (sometimes even immediately to begin the backswing), leaving them "stuck forward" to begin the downswing. They'll push forward, stop, and have to restart around P4, disrupting the smooth sequence often seen in the game's best players. Other Bits… Reduces ground reaction force potential, compromises spine inclination and posture, makes transition sequencing harder, increases stress on the trail knee and lower back… In short… It's not athletic. We don't do many athletic things with "straight" or very extended legs (unless it's the end of the action, like a jump or a big push off like a step in a running motion).
    • Day 135 12-25 Wide backswing to wide downswing drill. Recorder and used mirror. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.